Kimsan, I believe that on the one hand, ideology plays a large part in decisions of this kind, and on the other, that psychology either does or ought to. whether one likes it or not, children and adults don't like being associated with anything connoting blindness. The white cane is the perfect example. I imagine resistance to JAWS comes from a similar place. In the same vein, my experience tells me that adults and children will also avoid magnification devices if they think they can get away without them. I get a sense that as a JAWS user, I tend to get a lot more information than very low vision people who struggle with magnification devices. Screenreaders are by no means perfect, and I for one hate reading fiction with JAWS, especially if it contains a lot of dialog. But I can zip through academic and popular articles, so long as they're in accessible form. I'm suggesting that whatever the practical arguments for a screenreader or other adaptive aid, it could be damaging to students of any age to introduce them to these aids until they can accept the necessity. Some will do so right away, others will resist. To my mind, nothing interferes more with education than resistance to the methods imposed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kimsan Song Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:30 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: jfw for the blind or visually impaired Mike: Thankyou for your input. I am aware of the several magnification programs that exist but it seems as if the powers that be are pushing for jaws training with my visually impaired students and I think jaws will not be a good idea because the students are mouse users using 28 pt font. I just finished explaining to someone off list that I am just suppose to teach jaws to my middle and high schoolers and if I even bring up screen magnification programs or any other screen reader, it would just be shot down. Back to the original inquory, it seems as if jaws is for the blind (which I knew so don't laugh at me) I just get confused when the teachers for the blind are having me teach jaws to students who depend and work with the mouse. Thankyou. From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mike grove Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:40 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: jfw for the blind or visually impaired there are a number of different kinds of software for visually impaired use. jaws is by far the best screen reader i have found for an individual that can nolonger read the print inspite of size. there are some products that magnify the screen. One in particular is zoom text. i am now blind, but for the last thirty years i could see enough to still read larger print. Now that i can't, i have switched to jaws. those are just a few of the options. i am sure that there are more. i hope this was of some help for u. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimsan Song To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: jfw for the blind or visually impaired Hello: I wanted to post this here seeing as this mailing list gets lots of traffick. My question is concerning the use of jaws and is the "screen" reader mainly used for completely blind individuals or partially sighted individuals? I am not a teacher for the blind, so it is interesting to me when a person is told due to his or her "lack of vision" jaws will be reccomended. So, the question raised here is where would a persons vision need to be at in order to use jaws? If someone can read 20 point font or higher would jaws be necessary? Any feedback would be appreciated. Take care.