RE: jfw for the blind or visually impaired

  • From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:30:21 -0700

I am responding to this comment because it made me remember when one of the
tech guys were here in my office and he was upgrading my XP to windows 7 and
was observing me use the computer.

He said, "I'm amazed how efficient you are with the computer and you are so
quick at typing but using a keyboard must be frustrating, because you cannot
perform all of the functions a mouse can."



From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:44 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jfw for the blind or visually impaired


Using keyboard commands far surpasses the use of the mouse.  Challenge your
students to a race with you.  Demonstrate with your own facile use of the
keyboard the speed and proficiency with which you use Jaws.  This will soon
convince them that they will more efficiently and effectively complete their
assignments without the use of the mouse.  Being able to excel beyond their
sighted peers in a skill their seeing peers take pride in mastering will
raise his self esteem enough to want to throw away the mouse altogether and
to fully embrace controlling the computer solely through use of the
keyboard.  The best way to accomplish this if his sight is limited is
through the use of a screen reader.  I did this with my own sighted
children.  They understand my superiority regarding the speed with which I
accomplish various computer tasks without either sight or through the use of
the mouse.  An African friend told me a friend of his did the same thing in
Africa when a sighted employer hesitated concerning hiring him.  Of course,
he used manual typewriters.  But, he asked to type something.  The upshot
was he typed better and more quickly than did the man seeking to employ him.
Needless to say he got the job.    

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Kimsan Song <mailto:kimsansong@xxxxxxxxxxx>  

To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:55 PM

Subject: RE: jfw for the blind or visually impaired



That has been a large discussion between my coworker and myself every time
these evaluations come up.

The students are struggling to accept the vision lost they are experiencing
and the use of a cane, large print, screen readers, anything that will "make
them feel different" the student will not embrace, which I can attest too.

Seeing as I am not in any position to tell the powers that be what to teach
or how to accommodate the students with which screen reader or magnification
program, I just do as I am told.

I am going through one heck of a time right now teaching jaws to the
students because they are always reaching for the mouse of which I had to
disconnect after a while and having to remind the students the pros of using
a screen reader.

Let me relay this back to the topic of the mailing list so the mods will not
hatch me, seeing as I am blind I was wondering for someone who has
relatively good vision, not 20-20 but how would using jaws be like? compared
to someone who is completely blind?

Adrian, thankyou for your comments.

Take care.






From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 5:44 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jfw for the blind or visually impaired




I believe that on the one hand, ideology plays a large part in decisions of
this kind, and on the other, that psychology either does or ought to.
whether one likes it or not, children and adults don't like being associated
with anything connoting blindness. The white cane is the perfect example. I
imagine resistance to JAWS comes from a similar place. In the same vein, my
experience tells me that adults and children will also avoid magnification
devices if they think they can get away without them.


I get a sense that as a JAWS user, I tend to get a lot more information than
very low vision people who struggle with magnification devices.
Screenreaders are by no means perfect, and I for one hate reading fiction
with JAWS, especially if it contains a lot of dialog. But I can zip through
academic and popular articles, so long as they're in accessible form.


I'm suggesting that whatever the practical arguments for a screenreader or
other adaptive aid, it could be damaging to students of any age to introduce
them to these aids until they can accept the necessity. Some will do so
right away, others will resist. To my mind, nothing interferes more with
education than resistance to the methods imposed.




From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Kimsan Song
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:30 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jfw for the blind or visually impaired




Thankyou for your input.


I am aware of the several magnification programs that exist but it seems as
if the powers that be are pushing for jaws training with my visually
impaired students and I think jaws will not be a good idea because the
students are mouse users using 28 pt font.


I just finished explaining to someone off list that I am just suppose to
teach jaws to my middle and high schoolers and if I even bring up screen
magnification programs or any other screen reader, it would just be shot


Back to the original inquory, it seems as if jaws is for the blind (which I
knew so don't laugh at me) I just get confused when the teachers for the
blind are having me teach jaws to students who depend and work with the




From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of mike grove
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:40 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jfw for the blind or visually impaired


there are a number of different kinds of software for visually impaired use.
jaws is by far the best screen reader i have found for an individual that
can nolonger read the print inspite of size. there are some products that
magnify the screen. One in particular is zoom text. i am now blind, but for
the last thirty years i could see enough to still read larger print. Now
that i can't, i have switched to jaws. those are just a few of the options.
i am sure that there are more. i hope this was of some help for u.


----- Original Message -----


From: Kimsan Song


To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:18 PM


Subject: jfw for the blind or visually impaired




I wanted to post this here seeing as this mailing list gets lots of


My question is concerning the use of jaws and is the "screen" reader mainly
used for completely blind individuals or partially sighted individuals?


I am not a teacher for the blind, so it is interesting to me when a person
is told due to his or her "lack of vision" jaws will be reccomended. So, the
question raised here is where would a persons vision need to be at in order
to use jaws? If someone can read 20 point font or higher would jaws be


Any feedback would be appreciated.


Take care.

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