Re: jfw Digest V5 #1359

From: Jyotsna Kaki <jyotsnakaki@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:13:59 -0800
Sorry for the junk in my replies.

I am only facing this issue with JAWS 10 and not with any prior
versions of JAWS. Previously, I could use the number keys and JAWS
would skip between only those level headings with no problem. I
believe that is suppose to be the real behavior (as far as I can
understand from the JAWS keyboard commands). I am guessing this is a
bug in JAWS 10.

On 11/6/08, jfw-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <jfw-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> jfw Digest    Thu, 06 Nov 2008        Volume: 05  Issue: 1359
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> In This Issue:
>               RE: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>               Re: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>               RE: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>               Don't use reply when using digest mode
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>
> Subject: RE: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:32:24 -0000
> From: "Mullins, Chris" <Chris.Mullins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Chris
> Try bbc.co.uk
> Cheers
> Chris (also from Derbyshire)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth
> Sent: 06 November 2008 08:23
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>
> What about sites in the UK as that's where I live.
>
> --
> Chris Hallsworth
> e-mail: christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:08 AM
> Subject: RE: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>
>
>>A great example is a magazine or newspaper from bookshare.org as they
> have
>> different heading levels for individual stories and sections of the
> paper.
>> Levels 2, 4 etc... You have to press the h key from the top of the
> page in
>> order to get to the first few headings and once there, you can use the
>> number keys to jump to the different level headings.
>>
>> There are other sites where this happens, but with the bookshare.org
>> periodicals, it happens every single time.
>>
>> Cristobal
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
>> Of Chris Hallsworth
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:46 AM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>>
>> Could you give us an example of a site where such structure exists?
>>
>> --
>> Chris Hallsworth
>> e-mail: christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> skype: chrishallsworth7266
>> klango: chrishallsworth
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jyotsna Kaki" <jyotsnakaki@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "jfw" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:04 PM
>> Subject: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>>
>>
>>> Is anyone else facing the same issue or is it only me:
>>>
>>> If the page has the following sections headers (in the same order),
>>> h1, h2, h2, h2, h3, h4
>>> With previous versions of JAWS if I pressed the 4 key when the cursor
>>> focus was set to the top of the page, it would jump to the h4
> however,
>>> with JAWS 10, if I press the 4 key, it tells me that there are no
>>> headings on the page. However, if I press the h key, I can then jump
>>> between the different headings. It is taking me too long to get to
>>> certain headings with JAWS 10. Is this a bug in JAWS 10 or an
>>> intentional feature?
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:34:49 -0000
>
> Oh yeah! I'm definitely able to duplicate this problem with JAWS 9.
>
> --
> Chris Hallsworth
> e-mail: christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> klango: chrishallsworth
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mullins, Chris" <Chris.Mullins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:32 AM
> Subject: RE: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>
>
>> Chris
>> Try bbc.co.uk
>> Cheers
>> Chris (also from Derbyshire)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth
>> Sent: 06 November 2008 08:23
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>>
>> What about sites in the UK as that's where I live.
>>
>> --
>> Chris Hallsworth
>> e-mail: christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> skype: chrishallsworth7266
>> klango: chrishallsworth
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:08 AM
>> Subject: RE: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>>
>>
>>>A great example is a magazine or newspaper from bookshare.org as they
>> have
>>> different heading levels for individual stories and sections of the
>> paper.
>>> Levels 2, 4 etc... You have to press the h key from the top of the
>> page in
>>> order to get to the first few headings and once there, you can use the
>>> number keys to jump to the different level headings.
>>>
>>> There are other sites where this happens, but with the bookshare.org
>>> periodicals, it happens every single time.
>>>
>>> Cristobal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Chris Hallsworth
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:46 AM
>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>>>
>>> Could you give us an example of a site where such structure exists?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Hallsworth
>>> e-mail: christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> skype: chrishallsworth7266
>>> klango: chrishallsworth
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jyotsna Kaki" <jyotsnakaki@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "jfw" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:04 PM
>>> Subject: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is anyone else facing the same issue or is it only me:
>>>>
>>>> If the page has the following sections headers (in the same order),
>>>> h1, h2, h2, h2, h3, h4
>>>> With previous versions of JAWS if I pressed the 4 key when the cursor
>>>> focus was set to the top of the page, it would jump to the h4
>> however,
>>>> with JAWS 10, if I press the 4 key, it tells me that there are no
>>>> headings on the page. However, if I press the h key, I can then jump
>>>> between the different headings. It is taking me too long to get to
>>>> certain headings with JAWS 10. Is this a bug in JAWS 10 or an
>>>> intentional feature?
>>>> --
>>>> JFW related links:
>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
>>>> Scripting mailing list:
>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
>>>> JFW List instructions:
>>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject
>> line.
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>>>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
>>>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> --
>>> JFW related links:
>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
>>> Scripting mailing list:
>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
>>> JFW List instructions:
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>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
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>>>
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>>> the
>>> list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Internal Virus Database is out of date.
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>> 11/1/2008
>>> 7:56 PM
>>>
>>> --
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> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: JAWS 10 and headers are killing me
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:03:00 +0100
> From: <Michael.Schulz@xxxxxxxx>
>
> Excuse me, but I've tried it wiht jaws 8, 9 and 10 for www.bbc.co.uk and
> I get all the time the same behaviour. Typing firstly 1 goes to the
> first header whereas 2 says: No next heading 1 in section. After that,
> typing 2 once or twice or more jumps forward and shift 2 or 1 goes
> backward and so on. Now I' wondering which jaws version behaves in
> another way?
>
> As someone other on the list says, pressing jaws key + f6 displays a
> dialog containing a list of html headings on the page. This could help
> to find out the structure of a page quickly. Alternatively, it is
> possible to use h or shift + h to jump header by header.
>
> In fact, it is true that typing 4 firstly never brings a positive result
> if headers 1 to 3 are used on a page. But from my point of view that is
> what the keys are for (please hear the given information after opening
> the internet browser and go to the top and press jaws key + 1 than press
> 1 or 2 or 3 ... or 6, here it is possible to hear much more keys which
> could be used for going around on web pages).
>
> If a key exists which brings the cursor directly to a header please
> blog. I'm very much interested.
> Regards, Michael
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Alan Clendinen" <alanclendinen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Don't use reply when using digest mode
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:33:52 -0500
>
> Jyotsna,
> Please do not use the "reply" option when responding to a message thread.
> Since you are receiving the JAWS users list in the digest mode, your message
> includes a copy of the entire digest. That really messes up the next digest
> for those of us who receive the digest.
>
> I suggest that when you wish to respond to a message, that you use the new
> message command (Control + N in Outlook Express) and you can then copy and
> paste the text of the message to which you are responding, along with your
> own message text.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of jfw Digest V5 #1359
> **************************
>
>


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