Re: jaws and freedomscitific

  • From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:34:35 -0700

Don't give me definitions of diction, please.  Again, I ask you not to mock 
the way I write.  Define words any way you feel like it, bubba.  Just leave 
me alone.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific


In the first place diction is the clarity with which you pronounce your
words, not the vocabulary you use. Secondly, I wasn't starting with you. I
was just answering a question in a succinct and business like manner.



Thanks; Gene

On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific


> Gene,
> I'll thank you not to insult my diction.  Don't start with me, whoever you
> are.  Thank you.  And Bruce, stay out of this.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>
>
> To answer your question as I understand it after cutting through all the
> flourishes, no it isn't macho. When I go to the system tray and Jaws tells
> me there are updates ready for my computer I hit enter on the message.
> That
> opens a dialog box that gives me a little info about the update process
> and
> asks how I want to do it. I chose the custom install and jaws tells me
> that
> x number of updates are ready and that all will be installed unless I
> unselect one by removing the check next to it. What isn't clear?
>
>
>
> Thanks; Gene
>
> On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>
>
>> Gene,
>>
>> For me, Jaws does not say that times are selected here.  It simply
>> doesn't
>> make any such announcements.  Plus it takes more knowledge and intuition
>> than you are acknowledging, I think, to even know what to do if you *do*
>> know that the items are preselected by default, which I didn't until a
>> sighted friend told me so.  You have to be fairly clever and experienced
>> to
>> understand that this means, lacking vocalization that there's a checkbox
>> in
>> one state or another associated with each item, that you can uncheck
>> something by pressing the spacebar when you're on it, and be sure to
>> remember what you've done in case you have second thoughts or need to
>> review
>> the list before going ahead.  I'm not being silly about this, or wimpy,
>> but
>> you seem oddly obdurate (or is it simply sort of macho?) to say it's no
>> problem.  What's going on?  You don't believe me?  Is that it, maybe?
>> You
>> don't think it's an effort for some people to intuit a situation like
>> this
>> and then hold in memory every keystroke they make because nothing's being
>> spoken?  I'm puzzled at your lack of empathy on this.  I didn't say
>> "sympathy," just "empathy."  Meaning you don't seem to believe the
>> experience I'm describing.  Please believe it.  Again, I'm really glad
>> you
>> have this drill hammered, and I'm simmply teaching myself another one of
>> those "fly by the seat of the pants" tricks when the screen reader isn't
>> telling you most of what you need to know in the situation.  I'm game,
>> just
>> saying it's a learning effort, that's all.
>>
>> Daniel
>> I'm bruate nchintoher
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>>
>>
>> No... but I already know that all items are selected because the previous
>> lines in the dialog box said so. I don't see the confusion here. They are
>> all selected unless you unselect them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks; Gene
>>
>> On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>>
>>
>>> Gene,
>>> I didn't say that Jaws doesn't speak that announcement.  sure, it says
>>> that
>>> to me.  , too-- Jaws is reading that message.  But then, if you actually
>>> traverse the list with your arrow key, I think you'll find that Jaws
>>> speaks
>>> only the items, without announcing that they're accompanied by check
>>> boxes
>>> and what the state of each checkbox is.  Is it different for you?
>>>
>>> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>>>
>>>
>>> But when mine comes up it says "Uncheck the items you don't want
>>> installed.". So that is quite clear to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks; Gene
>>>
>>> On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>>>
>>>
>>>> auto Updates can also be configured so that they appear listed in your
>>>> system tray and can be reviewed and selected/deselected before download
>>>> and
>>>> install.
>>>>
>>>> This is what I've done, as I'm not technically astute enough to want to
>>>> spend time at the Microsoft site trying to understand which updates do
>>>> what
>>>> and which might be hazardous to my computing health with Jaws.
>>>>
>>>> A note:  if you use this option, Jaws doesn't report that the items
>>>> listed
>>>> have check boxes, and whether they're checked or unchecked.  So you
>>>> should
>>>> know that all items are checked by default, and as you arrow through
>>>> the
>>>> you
>>>> can hit the space bar to deselect prior to pressing the download
>>>> button.
>>>>
>>>> Would be nice if someone, maybe FS, would write a script to make those
>>>> item
>>>> states visible/audible.
>>>> aws,e need rf icro
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Chipmunks" <chipmunks@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never have my system do any automatic updates as I like to be in
>>>> control
>>>> of what is being put onto my computer. IN case you do not know this,
>>>> automatic updates can be disabled in control panel - at least they can
>>>> be
>>>> for windows 2k and I think this is the same in xp. When I have a fresh
>>>> install of windows, this is one of the first things I do - disable
>>>> autonatic updates. I rather go to the windows update page where I can
>>>> select and deselect what updates are suggested for my computer.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 03:55 AM 6/20/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>>That may be a little tougher to avoid than you think. Automatic updates
>>>>>may do the update without warning you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks; Gene
>>>>>
>>>>>On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chipmunks" <chipmunks@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:50 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, there is nothing that I see that would force a current jaws 5.x
>>>>>>user to upgrade internet Explorer if it really wasn't supported by
>>>>>>jaws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let's just wait until IE 7.0 is out in public beta and reports from
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>courageous daring to install beta software come in. <g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Doris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 12:07 AM 6/20/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>>>>If Microsoft makes a major change in Internet Explorer, which is the
>>>>>>>only way 5.0 wouldn't be able to run with it, that isn't the fault of
>>>>>>>FS. In fact, there isn't much FS can do about it. I mean, why would
>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>do a major re-write on a version that is to generations out of date?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks; Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On MSN and Yahoo -
>>>>>>><mailto:guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: <mailto:josephmachise@xxxxxxxxxxx>Joseph Machise
>>>>>>>To: <mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:59 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: jaws and freedomscitific
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>People on the list
>>>>>>>I was given this information,
>>>>>>>I don't know how accreted this is, but I will find out tomorrow,when
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>call freedomscientific .
>>>>>>>I was told that those of us who have Jaws 5.0
>>>>>>>when the next version of Jaws 7.0 comes out, that freedomscientific
>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>not support with Jaws 5.0 the next version of inter net explorer.
>>>>>>>I hope this is not true, they want every body to upgrade to 7.0
>>>>>>>If they do this, I hope the blind people get a class action law suit.
>>>>>>>Thanks from Joseph.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Why "do "bad "things "Happen "to "good "people!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>!With love always from Joseph.
>>>>>>
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