Re: jaws and freedomscitific
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:52:19 -0700
Gene,
For me, Jaws does not say that times are selected here. It simply doesn't
make any such announcements. Plus it takes more knowledge and intuition
than you are acknowledging, I think, to even know what to do if you *do*
know that the items are preselected by default, which I didn't until a
sighted friend told me so. You have to be fairly clever and experienced to
understand that this means, lacking vocalization that there's a checkbox in
one state or another associated with each item, that you can uncheck
something by pressing the spacebar when you're on it, and be sure to
remember what you've done in case you have second thoughts or need to review
the list before going ahead. I'm not being silly about this, or wimpy, but
you seem oddly obdurate (or is it simply sort of macho?) to say it's no
problem. What's going on? You don't believe me? Is that it, maybe? You
don't think it's an effort for some people to intuit a situation like this
and then hold in memory every keystroke they make because nothing's being
spoken? I'm puzzled at your lack of empathy on this. I didn't say
"sympathy," just "empathy." Meaning you don't seem to believe the
experience I'm describing. Please believe it. Again, I'm really glad you
have this drill hammered, and I'm simmply teaching myself another one of
those "fly by the seat of the pants" tricks when the screen reader isn't
telling you most of what you need to know in the situation. I'm game, just
saying it's a learning effort, that's all.
Daniel
I'm bruate nchintoher
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
No... but I already know that all items are selected because the previous
lines in the dialog box said so. I don't see the confusion here. They are
all selected unless you unselect them.
Thanks; Gene
On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
> Gene,
> I didn't say that Jaws doesn't speak that announcement. sure, it says
> that
> to me. , too-- Jaws is reading that message. But then, if you actually
> traverse the list with your arrow key, I think you'll find that Jaws
> speaks
> only the items, without announcing that they're accompanied by check boxes
> and what the state of each checkbox is. Is it different for you?
>
> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>
>
> But when mine comes up it says "Uncheck the items you don't want
> installed.". So that is quite clear to me.
>
>
>
> Thanks; Gene
>
> On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>
>
>> auto Updates can also be configured so that they appear listed in your
>> system tray and can be reviewed and selected/deselected before download
>> and
>> install.
>>
>> This is what I've done, as I'm not technically astute enough to want to
>> spend time at the Microsoft site trying to understand which updates do
>> what
>> and which might be hazardous to my computing health with Jaws.
>>
>> A note: if you use this option, Jaws doesn't report that the items
>> listed
>> have check boxes, and whether they're checked or unchecked. So you
>> should
>> know that all items are checked by default, and as you arrow through the
>> you
>> can hit the space bar to deselect prior to pressing the download button.
>>
>> Would be nice if someone, maybe FS, would write a script to make those
>> item
>> states visible/audible.
>> aws,e need rf icro
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chipmunks" <chipmunks@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>>
>>
>> I never have my system do any automatic updates as I like to be in
>> control
>> of what is being put onto my computer. IN case you do not know this,
>> automatic updates can be disabled in control panel - at least they can be
>> for windows 2k and I think this is the same in xp. When I have a fresh
>> install of windows, this is one of the first things I do - disable
>> autonatic updates. I rather go to the windows update page where I can
>> select and deselect what updates are suggested for my computer.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Doris
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:55 AM 6/20/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>>>That may be a little tougher to avoid than you think. Automatic updates
>>>may do the update without warning you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks; Gene
>>>
>>>On MSN and Yahoo - guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chipmunks" <chipmunks@xxxxxxx>
>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:50 AM
>>>Subject: Re: jaws and freedomscitific
>>>
>>>
>>>>Also, there is nothing that I see that would force a current jaws 5.x
>>>>user to upgrade internet Explorer if it really wasn't supported by jaws.
>>>>
>>>>Let's just wait until IE 7.0 is out in public beta and reports from the
>>>>courageous daring to install beta software come in. <g>
>>>>
>>>>cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Doris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 12:07 AM 6/20/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>>If Microsoft makes a major change in Internet Explorer, which is the
>>>>>only way 5.0 wouldn't be able to run with it, that isn't the fault of
>>>>>FS. In fact, there isn't much FS can do about it. I mean, why would
>>>>>they
>>>>>do a major re-write on a version that is to generations out of date?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks; Gene
>>>>>
>>>>>On MSN and Yahoo -
>>>>><mailto:guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <mailto:josephmachise@xxxxxxxxxxx>Joseph Machise
>>>>>To: <mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:59 PM
>>>>>Subject: jaws and freedomscitific
>>>>>
>>>>>People on the list
>>>>>I was given this information,
>>>>>I don't know how accreted this is, but I will find out tomorrow,when I
>>>>>call freedomscientific .
>>>>>I was told that those of us who have Jaws 5.0
>>>>>when the next version of Jaws 7.0 comes out, that freedomscientific
>>>>>will
>>>>>not support with Jaws 5.0 the next version of inter net explorer.
>>>>>I hope this is not true, they want every body to upgrade to 7.0
>>>>>If they do this, I hope the blind people get a class action law suit.
>>>>>Thanks from Joseph.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Why "do "bad "things "Happen "to "good "people!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>!With love always from Joseph.
>>>>
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