Re: jaws 12 Dec Talk access 32
- From: Brandon Misch <bmisch2002@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:17:40 -0400
i got it working under 32-bit windows under jaws 10 and earlier but it has to
be the original release of jaws 10. later versions broke it and the files were
from kurzweil but i do have an installer that is a few kb that will install
access 32 and s version 4.41 of the synthesizer if anyone wants it. it does
work with window-eyes but not jaws anymore. the 4.6 one is hard to get working
under windows 7 but the one i have is easier but i do have a copy of it.
On Oct 31, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Gary King wrote:
> Brandon,
> Is the version of DECtalk Access32 you are talking about the one from JFW, GW
> Micro or Kurzweil? There may have been other sources for this synthesizer,
> but I'm not aware of them. Possibly, at one time someone could just buy it
> directly from the manufacturer. Also, did you get it working under 32 or
> 64-bit Windows?
>
> Gary King
> w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws 12 Dec Talk access 32
>
>
>> actually i got it to work under windows 7 and vista with jaws 10 and earlier
>> but can't get it working under 11/12 of jaws. hope it can eventually be
>> fixed. someone has posted it on a form in klango a while back so isn't lost.
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Gary King wrote:
>>
>>> Even though I am able to use DECtalk Access32 with my little work-around, I
>>> would like to see this speech synthesizer work normally with JFW as it did
>>> in JFW version 10 and all previous versions. However, I don't believe FS
>>> will invest any time and resources in fixing the problem they caused. This
>>> is because it is likely that only a few JFW customers still use this speech
>>> synthesizer. As far as I know, there is no way to obtain a licensed copy
>>> of DECtalk Access32 at this time. The synthesizer will not work on
>>> operating systems newer than Windows XP. For these reasons I don't think
>>> any amount of email messages will do any good.
>>>
>>> I tried my best to get the problem corrected when it first showed up in the
>>> final release of JFW 11. After contacting Eric Damery, I sent various ini
>>> and jcf files from the last beta where DECtalk Access32 worked fine and
>>> from the final JFW 11 release where it did not. The JFW development team
>>> said these files didn't help them track down the problem. I never heard
>>> anything further on this issue.
>>>
>>> A clever programmer-type who is thoroughly familiar with the various files
>>> that control the interaction of JFW with its speech synthesizers, if such a
>>> person exists, could probably figure out why my little trick of replacing
>>> the correct Voice Profile number for DECtalk Access32 with an incorrect one
>>> causes the synthesizer to work. Unfortunately, this clever person would
>>> need a copy of DECtalk Access32 for testing changes he might make in
>>> various control files. This brings us back to the fact that DECtalk
>>> Access32 is no longer available.
>>>
>>> When this old Windows XP system dies, I guess the stand-alone version of
>>> DECtalk Access32 will die along with it. I was hoping that the external
>>> DECtalk USB speech synthesizer would be the answer, but if you have ever
>>> heard that synthesizer, you know it ain't no DECtalk despite the name.
>>>
>>> Gary King
>>> w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws 12 Dec Talk access 32
>>>
>>>
>>>> i hope many people email fs about this issue because i use access 32 and
>>>> everytime i try and email them, nothing happens and i have even heard that
>>>> access 32 from others won't even work with jaws like it used to. hope this
>>>> can be fixed.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi too all note I changed the subject to reflect what we are all talking
>>>>> about with jaws.
>>>>> To be quite frank, from what I'vered with this topic so far I am
>>>>> disgusted! That this hasn't been fixed! Although I have not used this
>>>>> speach synthesizer, having being happy with eloquence and have used it
>>>>> all the way since I've lost my sight, I really do stress that what one
>>>>> likes need to be fixed if its broken or not! I say this because I have
>>>>> had a moderatly in pared hearing lost since birth and I completely
>>>>> understand what you are all saying! For me for example If we didn't have
>>>>> Eloquence and had only the real speak solo direct synthesizers to use
>>>>> with Jaws, then I'm afraid with a quote, "I just wouldn't be able to use
>>>>> it!" For me its all about clarity and pronunciation. If people
>>>>> would like me too, I would be more than happy to email FS I don't know if
>>>>> they will respond but I feel if we all email them about this issue then
>>>>> the more the need and then the need hopefully becomes a reality! If you
>>>>> would like me to do that then just let me know.
>>>>> A perfect example was when I had mobile speak 1.x something which had the
>>>>> good old eloquence on it! then a few years later having brought a new
>>>>> phone and installed the latest version of mobile speak. I found that they
>>>>> had done away with eloquence which went to talks I emailed the company
>>>>> about mobile speak not having eloquence and they said they couldn't
>>>>> obtain it back because it was tied to talks the other mobile screenreader.
>>>>> What I am getting at is that I think this is disgraceful! Don't they
>>>>> consider people being hearing inpared as well as being blind? Sorry for
>>>>> the rant but to me its very important that I have the right voice to be
>>>>> able to use my screenreader.
>>>>> Ok well that's my say getting off topic so will stop hear! LOL
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> DAniel
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Yadiel Sotomayor" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:41 PM
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: Re: jaws 12:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ? I am not complainning. In fact I have hearing lost from my right ear.
>>>>>> I was just wondering why all the fuzz for access 32.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "ptusing" <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:03 PM
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: jaws 12:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI,
>>>>>>> AFter there were several good messages about the need for Access 32, we
>>>>>>> got the usual comment that we should shut upand settle forwhat will
>>>>>>> "not" allow elder ands ome younger with double hearing loss (even mild)
>>>>>>> and vision loss to use a screen reader.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is important.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I answered this iditot....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Friday, October 29, 2010 4:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: jaws 12:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I spent one entire month.
>>>>>>>> At thistime, there is no way to get a version of Access 32 that will
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Curtis wrote
>>>>>>>> I knew they definitely have sabotaged the working of Dec_access32 and
>>>>>>>> there is not a single potential of doubt of it, period. No discussion
>>>>>>>> is possible since it is like claiming something is supported and then
>>>>>>>> denying problems all in the same breath, blaming as you say GW-Micr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 6:11 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: jaws 12:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will definitely give this a try, and thank you very much. . .
>>>>>>>> I knew they definitely have sabotaged the working of Dec_access32 and
>>>>>>>> there is not a single potential of doubt of it, period. No discussion
>>>>>>>> is possible since it is like claiming something is supported and then
>>>>>>>> denying problems all in the same breath, blaming as you say GW-Micro.
>>>>>>>> Proves there is an issue with the suit, seems to me, after all, and
>>>>>>>> quite small of a so-called "leader" in screen readers, tiny and
>>>>>>>> irresponsible and purely childish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Curtis Delzer.
>>>>>>>> HS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to download the Haven cell phone tour.
>>>>>>>> in part or in whole
>>>>>>>> http://www.mysticplace.info/audio/haven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for 6000 plus ring tones.
>>>>>>>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/wch4yb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on Thursday 10/28/2010 10:34 AM, Gary King said:
>>>>>>>>> Curtis,
>>>>>>>>> I went round and round with FS when they broke support for the
>>>>>>>>> version of DEC Access32 purchased from GW Micro in the JFW 11 Final
>>>>>>>>> Release. It worked all the way through the Public Beta of JFW 11 and
>>>>>>>>> in all previous versions of JFW. They never admitted to doing
>>>>>>>>> anything to break this support. I even wrote to Eric Damery, and he
>>>>>>>>> put me in touch with the JFW development team. That didn't do any
>>>>>>>>> good either. Even after I explained that this synthesizer had been
>>>>>>>>> working on my XP Home system for 5 years, they wanted to blame it on
>>>>>>>>> the GW Micro installation. They also wanted me to help them obtain a
>>>>>>>>> license for the synthesizer because they claimed they didn't own it.
>>>>>>>>> Of course, no licenses are available now from GW Micro.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now for the good news. I am still using DEC Access32 with both JFW
>>>>>>>>> 11 and 12. I'm not guarantying this method will work for anyone
>>>>>>>>> else. I have DEC Access32 set to be my Default synthesizer.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this results in Eloquence doing all the talking. By
>>>>>>>>> experimentation, I found that I could open Default.jcf in my User
>>>>>>>>> Settings folder and enter 4 into the Active equals line instead of
>>>>>>>>> the 5 that JFW uses for the DEC Access32 profile. I was never able
>>>>>>>>> to figure out why this works, but it does for me. The drawback to
>>>>>>>>> this work-around is that if I make any changes in the Voice Profile,
>>>>>>>>> my entry of 4 is replaced with 5 again, and I have to perform the
>>>>>>>>> replacement once more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can try this work-around for yourself, but I can't provide any
>>>>>>>>> further help than I have provided here. I would be interested to
>>>>>>>>> know though if it works for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gary King
>>>>>>>>> w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:54 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: jaws 12:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws 12? and why has FS given up support for Dec_access32 where it
>>>>>>>>>>> just will not either work or if it does at all, it stops
>>>>>>>>>>> immediately. That is what eleven did, and in tweleve, It will not
>>>>>>>>>>> even begin to work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (xp of course). I am aware that Vista and Windows 7 cannot use
>>>>>>>>>> Dec_access32, but us XP users it works fine. JFW 10 has no problem
>>>>>>>>>> with it, but not 11 or 12.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Curtis Delzer.
>>>>>>>>>> HS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to download the Haven cell phone tour.
>>>>>>>>>> in part or in whole
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mysticplace.info/audio/haven
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for 6000 plus ring tones.
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/wch4yb
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> 18mph gusting to 24mph
>>>>>>>>>> A snail can sleep for 3 years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Curtis Delzer
>>>>>>>>>> W B 6 H E F
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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