Re: informative material about Freedom Sci

  • From: "thaovyngu" <thaovyngu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:01:47 -0400

Yes, I also would like to know about the other JFW mailing list.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean M McMahon" <smcmahon@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: informative material about Freedom Sci


> I would immagine that many of freedom's buyers are agencies for state and
> federal governments and many are also corperate in nature.  Freedom
> Scientific offers no discounts to these kinds of people.  This is
> something that could save us all money.
>
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> "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent by: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 08/12/2004 08:54 AM
> Please respond to jfw
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>         To:     <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>         cc:
>         Subject:        RE: informative material about Freedom Sci
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> Bob,
>
> Will makes very good points.  I do suggest however, that once he (or FS)
> understands the high cost of their product (and this goes for any access
> technology company), they could do more in the area of making some sort
> of financing arrangements available to their potential customers.  This
> might go a long way towards defusing the criticism surrounding the cost
> of the product, and might make it more affordable to more people.
> Having a larger user base may  in turn help lower the cost.
>
> Chip
>
> =20
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Smith, Robert J
> > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:27 AM
> > To: 'jaws-list'
> > Subject: informative material about Freedom Sci
> >=20
> > I don't want to start a huge, off-topic thread here because=20
> > the cost of JAWS is briefly mentioned.  But, however, there=20
> > is material in the text below that I thought quite=20
> > informative and interesting about Freedom Sci's staff.
> > I took this part of a message from another JAWS list I am=20
> > subscribed to.
> > Bob Smith
> >=20
> >=20
> >  Jane,
> >=20
> >  I agree, that for some, JAWS is priced relatively high in=20
> > respect to income.
> >  However, when making comparisons with the lower cost screen=20
> > reader products,  it is a bit fool hardy to compare on cost alone.
> >=20
> >  As the old saying goes "you get what you pay for".  If you=20
> > think of the cost  as not being for the cost of the product,=20
> > but for the personnel hours taken  to develop it, support it,=20
> > test it and so on.  Freedom Scientific unarguably  have the=20
> > biggest number of developers found in a screen reader=20
> > company, this  allows them to develop more support, in more=20
> > depth and for a wider range of  products than other screen=20
> > reader vendors can.  All right, this point  depends on what=20
> > you want to use your computer for.  If you just want to do =20
> > really limited stuff on Word, write basic emails and look at=20
> > basic web  sites, then JAWS is probably the wrong product for=20
> > you, but if you want to  do more, as most users do, then JAWS=20
> > will offer you the most abilities to do  what you want.  As=20
> > people who rely on access technology to give us the =20
> > abilities to do things, then JAWS offers us the greatest=20
> > amount of abilities  to get the most out of our computers be=20
> > it for work, academia or just for  leisure purposes.  So, in=20
> > terms of functionality, you definately get what  you pay for.
> >=20
> >  The greater number of developers also allows Freedom to=20
> > develop new, novel  and cutting edge functionality to go into=20
> > their products.  JAWS was the  first screen reader to support=20
> > Excel, the first to offer quick navigation  keys on the web,=20
> > the first to support Powerpoint, to name a few of the =20
> > cutting edge things Freedom have introduced into JAWS.  As=20
> > someone who is  involved in the advanced research side of=20
> > development at Freedom, then I can  guarantee this isn't=20
> > about to stop, there's some great things being planned.
> >  True, other companies can do this sort of thing, but it=20
> > means taking  developers away from what they usually do,=20
> > meaning that the next version of  product x won't be=20
> > supported, or the functionality in say Word won't be =20
> > improved.  By Dan Weirich's own admission, the WE support for=20
> > Word and other  Office products was very bad until recently.=20
> > and Word is somewhere where  JAWS has been strong for a long time.
> >=20
> >  I can understand your point about the high cost, but would=20
> > encourage  everyone making comparisons not only to look at=20
> > cost, but to look at the  functionality as well.  No two=20
> > screen readers are alike, except in the  product category. =20
> > It's a bit like comparing Windows to Linux, both are =20
> > operating systems, butboth are completely different.
> >=20
> >  When deciding upon a screen reader, it's like any other=20
> > piece of software,  or any other products.  You have to=20
> > decide what you need from that product,  how much value to=20
> > you put on having to have those abilites, and make a =20
> > decision on which screen reader product is right for you.
> >=20
> >  Oh yes, a lot of staff at Freedom are blind as well.  Chris=20
> > Hofstader, Vice  President of Software Engineering is blind,=20
> > James Datray, lead scripter is  blind, as are many others,=20
> > and oh yes, Ted Henter, who created JAWS for DOS,  and Glen=20
> > Gordon, the Cheif Technical Officer, who created JAWS for=20
> > Windows,  they're blind too.
> >=20
> >  Will
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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