Why not you use wlmail? From: Jeffrey Shockley, Windows Desktop Edition Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:55 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: hello there list does any one no if there is a program whitch wil allow my hotmail to be gotten with out look express? There are several, but they don't work that great. The best way is to use a payed for acount, but soon, Microsoft will no longer support getting your Hotmail/MSN E-mails through Outlook Express. HTH, Jeffrey