Re: find command with IE
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:09:09 -0800
BBut in that case, why does Jaws say I'm doing something when, in Word, I
press Insert V and toggle it on and off?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: find command with IE
It's always been my understanding that in apps such as Word, you're not
using a virtual buffer at all, but are interacting directly with the
application itself, so there really is no virtual cursor.
Bruce
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Chris Feist wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the virtual cursor follow the
> actual visible cursor in processors such as MS Word? We're talking
> about the virtual cursor also called the PC cursor, right? The thing is
> that wherever I'm typing in a word processor is where my virtual cursor
> is located. That's where the actual cursor is. Thanks.
>
> Chris Feist - The one and only!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of jim grimsby
>
> Hi, there is no virtual cursor in word or in any other word proseser. =
> There
> is a virtual viewer that you can use to make a virtual view of any =
> window
> and the jaws help jaws key h jaws key f1 jaws key w uses the virtual
> viewer also. Hth=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
> Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:44 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>
>
> I'm not talking about form fields or buttons. I'm simply talking
> about=20
> working with text in a word processor. Now, again, my understadnign and
> =
>
> experience tell me that the virtual cursor when I'm reading and writing
> =
> in=20
> Word in fact is located in the identical place in the text where a =
> sighted=20
> user would see a "real" cursor. That is all I meant. Again, I
> wasn't=20
> referring to any of the other types of page elements in such an =
> environment.
>
> Only the text.
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: find command with IE
>
>
> Hi, the virtual cursor does not follow any cursor at all. The fact is =
> =3D
> that the virtual cursor reads what is in the virtual buffer. When you =
> move
> =3D the virtual cursor over a link form field etc the browser is put in
> =
> to
> focus =3D on said element of the page. =3D20 Hth=3D20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =3D
> =
> Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:27 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean the Jaws cursor. I meant the regular cursor. =
> The=3D20
> virtual cursor. Sorry. I heard "Jaws" as meaning "the cursor we use =
> =3D
> when=3D20 Jaws is turned on." Sorry. My bad, as they say.
> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:11 PM
> Subject: RE: find command with IE
>
>
> Hi, no the jaws cursor follows the mouse pointer where your jaws cursor
> =
> =3D
> =3D3D is is on the mouse pointer so as you move your jaws cursor you =
> move the
> =3D =3D3D mouse pointer. The pc cursor on the other hand simply gives =
> the
> control =3D of =3D3D the cursor or highlight or what ever to the =
> application and
> jaws =3D reads what =3D3D it thinks it should. =3D3D20 Hth=3D3D20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
> =3D3D =3D
> Behalf Of Yardbird
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:00 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>
>
> May I add that in a program like Word, the main point of focus on the =
> =3D =3D3D
> page=3D3D20 is *not* the mouse pointer. That's just a tool for doing =
> =3D
> things, like=3D3D20 selecting something, scrolling, clicking a button, =
> and so
> =3D forth. the =3D3D focus=3D3D20 point for the eyes and for the program
> =
> is in
> fact a =3D cursor, which can be =3D3D
>
> changed in appearance to be tall, or short, or look sort of like a steel
> =
> =3D
> =3D3D I=3D3D20 beam. That's where you are within your text, and that's
> =
> what the
> Jaws=3D3D20 cursor follows.
>
> If this is not clear enough, I'll try to describe it again. But =3D =
> the=3D3D20
> discussion seemed to be getting sort of abstract so I thought =
> this=3D3D20
> clarification might help.
>
> ----- Original Message -----=3D3D20
> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:34 PM
> Subject: RE: find command with IE
>
>
> Hi, this is not true see the notepad find command in windows. In most =
> =3D =3D3D
> =3D3D3D cases the sighted person or any other user would use the find =
> command
> =3D =3D3D while editing or reading text. Internet explorer uses a =
> verchual find
> =3D in =3D3D3D =3D3D order to simulate a cursor so the ie find built in
> =
> only =3D
> searches the web page =3D3D =3D3D3D does not place a cursor any where =
> because in
> a =3D standard web page there =3D3D is no cursor on the screen there is
> =
> a mouse
> pointer that =3D the sighted user =3D3D3D =3D3D moves on the =
> screen.=3D3D3D20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =3D
> =
> =3D3D3D
> =3D3D Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:15 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>
>
> It might help in this discussion to realize that a sighted person =
> =3D3D3D
> doesn't,=3D3D3D20 like a blind person, use a find command to place a =3D
> =
> cursor
> =3D3D on a specific=3D3D3D20 word, so the find command as we use it =
> would have =3D
> little =3D3D if any =3D3D3D relevance=3D3D3D20 to a sighted person.
>
> Bruce
>
> --=3D3D3D20
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> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Dave Speck wrote:
>
>> The JAWS Find on the web is used for a blind user to find =3D3D
> specific=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>> text on the screen, not the web page.
>>
>>
>> Remember, He is Risen!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>>
>>
>>> Judith,
>>>
>>> that's different, email. It isn't the same environment as a =3D
> Web=3D3D3D20=3D20
>>> =3D3D
>
>>> page.
>>>
>>> Under what sorts of conditions do you find it necessary on a Web page
> =
>
>>> =3D
>
>>> =3D3D
>
>>> =3D3D3D
>
>>> to
>> use
>>> Control Insert F? What advantage does that method confer?
>>>
>>> thank you,
>>> Daniel
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes on the web I have to use Control, insert F. Also, =3D3D
> when=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>>> reading
>> an
>>> email and you want to find something on the page insert, control F is
> =
>
>>> =3D
>
>>> =3D3D
>
>>> =3D3D3D
>
>>> the only way to go.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I know this myself, but the simple Control F has always served =3D3D
> me=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>>>> for finding anything on a Web page. What's the purpose of this
>> Jaws-specific
>>>> find command? thanks.
>>>> purpsoe alwyas ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ricque" <ricque@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: find command with IE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Jaws find command is:
>>>> control, insert, F
>>>> Ricque
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Arliedog" <ddlmh50@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:32 AM
>>>> Subject: find command with IE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>> I am trying to help a friend learn to use JAWS. One command I =3D3D
> am=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>>>> unable
>>> to
>>>> find is how to find something on a web page. I am wanting to search
> =
>
>>>> =3D
>
>>>> =3D3D
>
>>>> =3D3D3D
>
>>>> for
>> a
>>>> word or phrase then have the cursor move to the first instance =3D3D
> of=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
>>>> that
>>> word
>>>> or phrase.
>>>> Thanks
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