Hi. This is interesting, and I'll keep it on file. But I personally tend to use very simple headers, so I don't anticipate doing anything so complicated. Also, when I mentioned right tabbing to push text toward the right, I was not proposing this as a substitute for right alignment. For instance, in a business letter, if I wish to have a block of text with my return address, phone number an email appear in the upper right of the page (not talking about headers, here), then intend to drop a couple of lines, center the date, then after another blank line left align and type the addressee's address against the left margin (this is just a conventional sort of thing I'm describing), I use my tab method very carefully, and easily ensure that each line is where it ought to be. I have no desire to actually right align something like that so that its right side is flush against the right margin and the beginnings of the lines are staggered. That would look pretty goofy, and no one would do that. Anyway, I see you're privy to some advice that's far more sophisticated than my usual tricks, and I'm glad you've got access to such information. Thanks for sharing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@xxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: checking headers and footers Hi Yardbird Thanks. That's how I do it. But the reason I want to know alignment, is that I sometimes want to know how it lines up against the text in the document. Hey, I don't need to know that, I just want to. And using tabs to get the part of the header over to the right margin isn't quite exact. It's not the same as honest right justification. It's better to use breaking and non-breaking spaces. But when I use those and want to verify where the text is on the line, I can't tell how it really looks. Here is some advice that works very nicely to get cleaner alignment in headers and footers. I got the below advice from a Word list I'm on. Realize that if you hit Ctrl + Shift + spacebar, it creates a hard space. In your minds eye, visualize it as a tiny circle between words that holds them together. This is also how the keystroke is represented to the sighted if they turn on their markers. Anyway...if you add that marker between words, it keeps them together so they stick together with that one space between them, as they should when viewed normally. However, the trick is that if you add full justification to that line, and then end that line with a shift + enter for a short return, it causes the line to stretch across the length of your page to fully fit across from the left to right margin. Any words that are held together with a hard space look normal, but what happens is that a regular space made by just hitting the space bar ends up getting stretched very far. Even across the length of a page, if necessary. The end result is that, with a few keystrokes, you can guarantee that whatever you need to type is properly aligned in whatever way you want. Here's a sample. Say you're starting a new line at the left margin and you'd like your first and last name lined up along the left and say your city and state lined up along the right...say for a resume. Here's the keystroke you'd do... Hit Ctrl + J to set full justification for this line. Type your first name and hit a hard space with Ctrl + Shift + spacebar, then type your last name. Now hit a regular space with the spacebar alone. Now type your city, add another hard space to hold it to the state, by again hitting ctrl + shift + spacebar and type your state. Now here comes a few tricks. After the last word in the line, hit Ctrl + Enter to add a soft line break, that causes the regular space to stretch and force the city and state to go to the far right alignment. Now granted, you will end up with an extra return on the next line. That's usually not a problem, but if you wished it wasn't taking up those extra 12 points or whatever for the size of the font you have, you can easily knock that puppy down to 1pt that will take up no space that anyone will notice. After you hit that soft return with ctrl + Enter...you'll be down on the next line just to the left of the last paragraph marker. You need it there to cause the previous line to remain justified. But you can hold down Shift and hit the right arrow key once to select that para marker. Then you can hit Ctrl + Shift + < (the less than sign) and, while holding the ctrl + shift...tap on the less than sign once for every two point sizes your font is. In other words, if you have a 12 pt font, tap it 6 times. That'll bring it down to about 1pt. Although you can actually just hit it many times because if you hit it more times than necessary, it doesn't matter cos' it'll stop changing the size when it hits 1pt. This last step with the para marker isn't always necessary if you don't care about an extra line of space after your justification line, but it cleans up the excess nicely. Now, if you've read this far and if you try this, you'll find Jaws doesn't tell you the status of those spaces, and you can't verify placement of the text on the line with something like alt plus delete. At least last time I did this, I had to again just go on faith. Now, aren't you sorry we got into this? Jean -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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