Re: bug list you want fixed
- From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:30:06 -0500
Hi,
I simply do not know the answer which iswhyI am asking as 2 friends
suggested that my amazing computer lock up after only 8 hours of use might
and I say might be more likely with JAWS 6...?
I use XP Home, S P 2, Access 32 (using 6.0) and have tons of memory and
very very fast processor.
Following advice of others which I appreciated on this list, I turned off
everything possible in StartUP and think that helped since after doing
that, I could use my computer with lots of aps like printing etc. with
earlier versions.
I am *not* trying to knock JAWS 6; rather I am trying to learn from others
and prevent it from happening.
(The two friends told me this is fairly common and more common *now* hence
the question).
This may not be a bug.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Grossoehme" <davegross1@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
> Bill: I have to agree with you 100% on this subject. It's asham to have
> to
> have to pay for something when FS promised us the product. After it put
> on
> the the market they decided to charge more it. As a matter of fact Think
> Layer is one of the ways for the future. If that's how FS is going to
> look
> toward the future what will happen when Longhorn come out with all it's
> new
> features?
> Your Friend
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>
>
>> gene i have to truely wonder what your connection is to freedom
>> scientific.
>>
>> based on your last message, you state that f s has some truely
>> interesting
>> developments in the pipe line that require a lot of programming time.
>>
>> First why would they tell you when in the past keeping developments is
>> usually a secretive process.
>> to guard against the competition.
>>
>> if they did tell you this my next question is why?
>>
>> whats your inside connnection.
>>
>> secondly they had other developments in my view that did very little
>> good
>> to end users of jfw.
>>
>> development one was that mini screen reader they developed.
>> when it was released the version of jfw that was released around the same
>> time had almost no bug fixes and very few new features.
>>
>>
>> then version 5 was released.
>>
>> at the same time 5 was released they did a upgrade to majic and also
>> rewrote jfw code so it would be more compatible with majic.
>>
>> 5 also lack few new features for jfw users that are not also using majic
>> in
>> conjunction.
>>
>>
>> in addition 5 broke stuff that used to work.
>>
>> many of the bug fixes that many refer to are old features that got broke
>> and never put back to work write.
>>
>>
>> my point being that just because they have some thing up the streem that
>> requires more development it does not mean its good for end users using
>> jfw
>> as a stand alone product.
>>
>> in addition they may release a killer new feature, like jfw 6 did with
>> remote desk top but make it an extra add on price wise.
>>
>> what good does that do folks if it cost an extra 400 to get it and they
>> can
>> not afford it.
>> suspect this took much of the development time for version 6.
>>
>> plus i no of no other application i own where a single feature , remote
>> desk top, requires the end user to pay 6 times as much to buy as the
>> upgrade cost.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> that being the case 6 comes down to a progress bar thats not very well
>> implemented and a skim reading feature.
>>
>> 6.1 has added support for the dec talk u s b.
>> thats a positive.
>>
>>
>> in know way am i suggesting they stop working on scripts for
>> applications.
>>
>> this is a seperate issue but before doing so they should fix any scripts
>> that worked in the past and make sure they work today.
>>
>>
>> another point, prior to 4.51 release, one could use any version of jfw
>> between 3 and 4.51 on their system.
>>
>> since the release of xp and the unified driver one can not go back to
>> versions prior to 4.51 to get the functionality they may of had in a
>> prior
>> version.
>>
>> so for that reason f s needs to do a even better job of going back and
>> correcting bugs in scripts that no longer work properly.
>>
>> in the past we just used an earlier version of jfw to get the desired
>> feature, but today that no longer is an option.
>>
>> i suspect this is partially why this stuff has people more upset than in
>> the past.
>>
>> by the way i am not against the move to have jfw work with other programs
>> like majic.
>>
>> i see those that use both as blind brothers.
>>
>> so the quirks left behind by 5 breaking stuff did not upset me so much.
>>
>> but when 6 and 6.1 failled to fix some of these issues then it was a
>> differant story.
>> not to mention it introduced a few new bugs.
>> this is my last message on this subject because its obvious to me we will
>> never see eye to eye on this.
>>
>> you say they do not owe us any thing, me on the other hand thinks the end
>> user should be getting something for the money they spend on jfw.
>>
>> i also think that money should be spent on improving jfw and not on
>> another
>> product.
>>
>> let other products generate their own income streems for improvements.
>>
>>
>> in addition i think the find should rate as a pretty hi priority.
>>
>> i will how ever continue to work on the bug list.
>> saving all the messages and compiling them into a single message.
>> then submit it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:52 PM 4/13/2005, you wrote:
>>>There is a great difference between product feedback and giving us a
>>>voice
>>>in the company. I was reacting to the tone of this entire thread... that
>>>FS
>>>somehow owes us something. They don't As I stated before, I was a
>>>programmer
>>>for years and some times you have to prioritize things. Right now FS has
>>>a
>>>few new things on the horizon that require a lot of development time. As
>>>I
>>>see it they are fixing glaring crash the system bugs as fast as possible.
>>>The other smaller pain in the ass bugs will be gotten to. And yes I agree
>>>that their debugging could be better, but I don't see it as the insult
>>>that
>>>many on this list seem to think it is. It is simply a business decision
>>>to
>>>lower some of the bug fixes on the priority list... all be it a
>>>questionable
>>>decision.
>>>
>>>Gene
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:16 PM
>>>Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>>
>>>
>>> > interesting view you have gene on companies, glab when i called
>>> > whirlpool
>>> > they had a totally differant view than yours, they actually wanted to
>>> > no
>>> > what was accessable and what was not.
>>> >
>>> > they even provide braille layouts.
>>> >
>>> > plus any feedback nnot associated with blindness that could improve
>>> > their
>>> > product was also well received.
>>> >
>>> > as far as companies abandoning public beta test, not sure where you
>>> > got
>>> > your info on that.
>>> > please elaborate on your source.
>>> > been using windows for some time now and its always in public beta.
>>> > especially internet explorer.
>>> > lol.
>>> > m s was smart enough to include the error reporting tool for the
>>> > reasons
>>> > youmention earlier.
>>> >
>>> > even if no error reporting tool their is a simple way to determine the
>>> > other info.
>>> >
>>> > has any body here ever reported a bug and got a e mail back from f s
>>> > asking
>>> > for more feedback.
>>> > thats all it would take to get extra info.
>>> > secondly if one person reports a bug on a list of thousands it goes
>>> > to
>>> > the
>>> > bottom, but when several report the same bug like the find not working
>>> > then
>>> > they need to start looking at the issue.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bill
>>> > p s i have also done business with a company that also turned its head
>>> > to
>>> > its clients, think it was telesensory.
>>> > we all know what happen their.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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