Re: authorization issues
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:05:18 -0700
John,m
that sounds sensible enough. But you see, I really don't have problems with
other programs malfunctioning. Once in awhile I need to learn where to look
for a menu item or learn a keyboard command, including the occasional detail
I don't happen to know about Jaws from studying the documentaiton and using
the application,and then I ask someone on one of these lists, if I can't
find the answer in the program's help documentation. Mostly, though, I'm
using IE, Word and OE for the most part, all day, and without ever any need
for tech support. If I don't know how to get something to speak in the
Winamp interface, I just ask someone. For example.
So my only experience with this whole issue is with FS. That's it. I have no
other computer problems for which I'd ever think of contacting tech support
except for the problems introduced by the very technology that allows me to
go on using the applications I was using before, with an exception or two.
such as I don't know anyone sighted who's ever heard of Winamp[, for
instance.
So maybe our experiences have been substantively different. But I get where
you're coming from.
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: authorization issues
That seems to be the same way with most companies I've dealt with over the
last few years, not just jfw. There are just as many complaints about the
other similar products and many other programs as well, which is why I don't
call anymore, I learned to fix it myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: authorization issues
> HI Chip,
>
> Just to say I understand exactly the sort of frustrating experiences
> you're
> describing below, because I've had them myself, more than ever during this
> year of Jaws 9, never mind which build. Uninstalling and reinstalling,
> over
> and over, has never rectified one single problem I've ever called tech
> support for help with, and yet they've insisted on my repeating that drill
> over and over just as you say. At one point this year, I spent a total of
> something close to six hours on the phone, wrote detailed and well
> organized
> reports on my "issues" and sent them to the top of the tech support
> department to be reviewed before someone from Tier 2 called me, but in a
> couple of cases, the reps who were assigned to call me either weren't
> given
> my report to look at (which the head guy who shall remain unnamed) had
> emphasized to me how important and valuable my taking the time to make
> such
> reports would be to them) or had received it but hadn't read it, and began
> from nothing. In one case, I insisted that the guy just sit there and read
> my report while I waited, paying for long distance. That gfew cents was
> worth less than my time. of course, despite the intervening minutes of
> discussion, most of what we wound up doing was me being led by the hand to
> uninstall and reinstall five different ways, as if it always had to be
> some
> glitch I'd introduced by improperly installing and configuring jaws. Like
> hell. What is it, a Model you've got to know how to practically rebuild
> all
> by yourself in your own garage or have a chauffer trained as a mechanic if
> you want to drive one? That's a rhetorical question.
>
> anyway, I manage to survive with all the glitches and bugs that remain for
> me, and I have to admit I'm grateful for it working as well as it does,
> because it enable me in a way that still astonishes me and fills me with
> gratitude compared to the despair I felt when I began to lose my ability
> to
> see clearly enough and read a little over ten years ago. So part of me
> still
> feels as if it's a gift and a miracle.
>
> But the complaints are real, nonetheless. And if I had the money to spend,
> I'd consider jumping ship, too, but I can't deal with that, financially.
> And
> life will go on, not all that badly despite my annoyance.
>
> Which is a long-winded way of pumping my fist in the air and yelling "you
> go, boy!"
>
> Joel
> desite juming graatiude rebuilt configuitng configuing nd imporperly
> intalling instlling intduced intereducesbine gntohing.at repeated
> yo[exseyou're describing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: authorization issues
>
>
> Thanks Cher, but that really sounds like a problem with an early build
> of jaws 9. If uac caused problems in jaws, we'd all certainly know of
> it by now.
>
> I am very reluctant to get on the phone with jaws tech support again.
> I've spent many hours reinstalling everything for them on the last
> problem I reported. Reinstallations seems to be their *only*
> trouble-shooting measure. When I asked for the problem to be escalated,
> the person I was working with said "no", because he was the escalation
> he said.
>
> It seems every time I had done a reinstallation I hadn't done it quite
> right according to him (you didn't delete the directory afterwards using
> narrator; you didn't also uninstall and reinstall the video driver; you
> did a repair when a uninstall and reinstall would have been better,
> etc.).
>
> After going through many calls like that I finally stopped calling. I'm
> now requisitioning Window Eyes from my employer. When it comes, with
> it's new scripting feature with vba as it's language, I'm going to
> switch. I've already gotten much better pre-sales tech support from GW
> Micro than I've ever gotten from FS.
>
> Sorry for the soapbox, I'll get off now and will try not to climb back
> on.
>
> Anyone who's really dedicated to jaws is free to pass this along to the
> head of their tech support and/or sales; it's fine to let them know
> they've lost at least one customer to poor quality tech support, and to
> better tech support from a competitor who hadn't even sold me a product
> yet.
>
> And, as icing on the cake, they don't have any such copy-protection, so
> no authorization issues to deal with!!! Hooorrraaayyyy!!!!! (that's my
> current problem I just posted about solved!)
>
> And, no difference in versions, so no "professional" version to deal
> with for certain versions of the operating system!!!!!
> Hooorrraaayyyyy!!!!!
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Chip Orange
> Database Administrator
> Florida Public Service Commission
>
> Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> (850) 413-6314
>
> (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not
> necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:08 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: authorization issues
>
>
> Not exactly the same, but similar... On a Lonova ThinkPad I set
> up last fall with VISTA home (premium, I think) and the first build of
> JAWS9, we ended up having to disable UAC to keep JAWS from switching
> into demo mode. If I remember, evrytime UAC came up, JAWS switched to
> demo.
>
> Cher
>
>
>
>>>> "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 7/7/2008 10:05 AM
>>>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> On my vista laptop I've noticed that if I switch from my
> wireless nic to my wired nic, my jaws authorization suddenly switches
> into demo mode. If I update it while using the wired nic until it's a
> registered copy again, then when I switch back to my wireless nic it's
> an unregistered demo copy again.
>
> Has anyone seen this happen? On my thinkpad laptop, which was
> running xp and an earlier version of jaws, I frequently switched between
> wired and wireless without a problem, so I'm guessing this is related to
> the latest build or vista, and was just wondering if anyone else is
> seeing this?
>
> thanks.
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Chip Orange
> Database Administrator
> Florida Public Service Commission
>
> Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> (850) 413-6314
>
> (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do
> not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)
>
>
>
>
>
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