John, re: your comment: ya, but some of us can't get spybot to install, comes up with some error I forget what it was (snip) If you were trying to install it using the NT track i.e. Windows 2000 or XP, did you disable Jaws first? Try installing it using the Windows Narrator voice; once you get past the license agreement button, you can re-enable JFW and the installation should proceed in fine shape. HTH, Steve -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx