RE: a question about displaying font information with jaws version 8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
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- Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:32:54 -0400
There's an even easier way; use the left alt key. In fact, on this
machine, that's the only one that works anyway. From left Alt to S is
an easy stretch. Of course, it's academic, since he's already found a
satisfactory alternative.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chris Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:29 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version 8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
Hello Daniel.
I'm very surprised that the original keystroke is a problem for you. I
don't find myself having to stretch my fingers very far. With my right
hand
on the number pad I get the insert key with my right thumb while having
my
left hand on the home row keys and tucking my left thumb under to get
the
alt key while pressing S.
I hope this helps.
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:06 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
Ryan,
Thanks for telling me. I wouldn't have guessed, because there isn't any
other application in which I was interested for this purpose. But no
hassle.
I don't mind doing it in the default file. That's fine. Thanks for your
patience and effort. Let me go try it...
Success. In order to get the key combo I really wanted for finger
convenience (Insert control S), I had to delete that keystroke from Set
Synthesizer, but as I've used only Eloquence for years, I don't expect
to
need to change my synth on the fly. And I tested it to see if it took,
and
it did. Whew. That was not something I could have figured out on my own,
I'll tell ya! Sure, I understood all along that I'd have to go into
Keyboard
Manager, didn't need to be told that. But only you figured out that it
wasn't true that I could restrict the change only to the word.jkm file,
or
that I'd not even find the function listed there.
Well, this is going to be handy for proofreading things I write with a
lot
of foreign language words and phrases set off in italics,another method
besides just poking through everything just stopping all the time and
using
Insert F, character by character. Which still will have its uses, of
course.
But this is really cool. Now if only I could figure out how to invoke my
Spanish voice to read the Spanish words, which I type using proper
symbols
and all that. You happen to know? Or, as I surmise from something I read
in
the course of all this, you can only set these scheme voices to high or
low
or something like that? Sorry for going stupid. I was working all day
before
I got into this inspired by your advice, and now my brain is totally
burned
out, at least for Jaws.
your inspiration y rfrom
poi
Thanks again, Ryan.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan MacIsaac" <jrmacisaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
Hi Yardbird,
It appears that, in Jaws 8, the "select a scheme" script is only
available
in the default keyboard file. It is not in the Microsoft Word keyboard
file.
If you want to change that Alt insert S keystroke, you are going to have
to
do it in the default keyboard file. Unfortunately, there is no other way
around this unless you want to copy the "select a scheme" script from
the
default file to the Word keyboard script file. If you are not familiar
with
modifying script files, I would simply make the change in the default
file.
That way, if you are running another program and decide to want to
change a
scheme, the new keystroke you define will be available to you.
I know you wanted this change only to take effect for Word, but there is
no
easy way to do that short of modifying script files.
Ryan
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:59 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
Ryan,
Well, I returned to the list in keyboard manager for Word (not Word
2007,
which is one of two alternatives to the default Word selection) and
looked
up and down it, both by pressing the letter s and just by arrowing. No
luck.
There are plenty of set this, set that lines, but not this one.
If it helps for me to say this, I'm using Word 2000 with the latest, or
second latest Jaws 8 . By second latest, I mean 8.0.1163 Unicode. I
don't
know why it just said "unicode." But that's what it said, and I'm
reporting
faithfully.
any idea why I can't find this option in my keyboard manager list for
Word?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan MacIsaac" <jrmacisaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
Hi,
If you look at my message again, you need to find a script in the
keyboard
manager called "select a scheme". That is the script that is assigned to
the
key combination Alt insert S. From your message, it appeared that this
was
the keystroke you wanted to change.
If you only want to change this keystroke from one particular program
like
Microsoft Word, open Word and then invoke the keyboard manager and look
for
the script "select a scheme". You can then change the Alt control S
keystroke to something easier for you to use. If you want this keystroke
to
be applied in all programs, you have to load the default file by
pressing
control shift D when you open the keyboard manager.
Once you do this, you can invoke the change schemes list box by using
the
keystroke you entered in the keyboard manager.
I hope this is clear and it will do what you want to do.
Ryan
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:28 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
Hi Ryan,
I do not want to change the key command for the Say Font script, nor
would I
apply the change I am looking for globally to all applications. This
thread
began with a discussion of how to invoke the speech and sounds menu with
a
hotkey in order to make Jaws speak various attributes in different
voices.
Let me be clear once more. I do know that This function can be either
invoked by this particularly inconvenient hotkey key combination (insert
alt
s) or, as if often the case with Jaws, by going into configuration
manager,
settings, speech and sounds, and setting it there. But that's not much
fun
if you just want to activate this function temporarily and then turn it
off.
Now, I hope that clarified what the original topic was. It wasn't about
Insert F. There is nothing inconvenient about Insert F. I was not trying
to
learn how to change that. And, if I go to the keyboard manager looking
in
the Word area for a keystroke for this purpose, either it's not in the
list,
or I need to know the name it's been given for that list, which must be
pretty counter-intuitive, I'd say. That is what I'm looking for, a way
to
change Insert Alt S to something else.
Thanks very much for responding.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan MacIsaac" <jrmacisaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
Hi,
To do what you want to do, open the keyboard manager and then load the
default keyboard file by pressing control shift D.
Next, find the script "select a scheme" and change the key to whatever
you
want as outlined in the previous message about the say font script.
I hope this helps,
Ryan
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:14 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
Dear Evangeline,
I'm sorry, but it seems I may not have expressed myself clearly enough.
I do
not wish for another way to invoke the Say Font command. Insert F is
perfectly convenient and I use it frequently. The keystroke I wished to
change is the one that invokes the sounds and schemes dialogue from
which
you can choose one of many ways to make Jaws automatically speak font
changes as it reads, or speak the text in different voices for different
character formatting, such as bold or italic. That keystroke is Insert
alt
S, and without instruction from a Yoga master, I can't see how I can
learn
to stretch my right hand that far without using my other hand to place
my
little finger on Insert and my thumb on the alt key, and then use my
left
hand finger to press the S key. This is quite a trick of contortion. so
I
wish I could change this to something easier. But if it is also in the
keyboard manager list, I can't figure out how to find it, or what it's
called.
I hope this is more clear.
Thanks very much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evangeline Dionisio" <evangeline.dionisio@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
The first thing to do is you go to the keyboard manager. Then locate
the dessired application that you want to change. So for example
microsoft word. Then go to the next pane by pressing tab. Then locate
the dessired keystroke you want to change, as you mentioned say font.
After that, as you are locating the dessired keystroke you heard the
asigned key right! After you hear the asign key for say font, press
tab for you to go to the asign hotkey. That's now the time you can
change the hotkey asign to it. After you change the default hotkey,
press tab to go to the ok button. That's also the time the JAWS
setting will now accept the new hotkey. I hope this will help you.
I'm very sorry for the confusing words. If you still have questions,
just ask me and I will answer you as soon as I can.
On 3/31/07, Yardbird <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Evangeline,
>
> could you explain this again? I would like to be able to use this
command
> to
> make certain character formatting speak different. With considerable
> effort
> and stretching, I managed to open the list of schemes, and was able to
> turn
> on the proofreading scheme for what I would like to hear spoken in a
> different voice. But this is one crazy stretch of the hand and
fingers,
> for
> me anyway.
>
> So I saw your advice to change the hotkey, but I guess I didn't
understand
> your instructions. I opened the keyboard manager and left it in the
file
> for
> Word, and arrowed through the list looking for something with Insert
alt s
> so I could change it, but I couldn't find anything like that. Was I
> looking
> in the wrong place? Please give specific directions.
>
> Thanks very much.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evangeline Dionisio" <evangeline.dionisio@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: a question about displaying font information with jaws
> version
> 8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
>
>
> One thing that you can do is to change the keyboard shortcut. You can
> go to the list of the script for Ms word and change the keyboard
> shortcut for saying font as well as its style. I hope it will help
> you.
> Good luck!
>
> On 3/30/07, Chris Jenkins <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > You can bring up your list of schemes by pressing "ALT + insert +
S".
> > Once
> > you bring up the list of schemes there should be a scheme for what
you
> > want
> > to do. If you do not find a scheme for what you want to do you can
> > create
> > a
> > custom scheme by going to the speech and sound manager.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Chris.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Shai Wolman
> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:01 AM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: a question about displaying font information with jaws
version
> > 8.0.423 and microsoft word 2003
> >
> > Hi, other than pressing insert f to tell me whether text in word2003
is
> > in
> > bold, underline or italics, is there a way that I can set jaws to do
> > this
> > by
> > default, or while I'm in a word session?
> > Any help with this would be appreciated.
> > Sincerely,
> > Shai Wolman
> >
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