Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws

  • From: Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:55:04 +0100

Hi, so your problem with messenger clearly isn’t a jaws issue. I think in the 
help menu there is an option to check the status of the windows live server so 
I’d maybe check that. If everything is OK and you know your internet is working 
then check your firewall and makesure it’s not blocking messenger but I’d be 
very surprised if it is. If that doesn’t help then try reinstalling just in 
case. It usually gives you an error essage with a code I think so try googling 

As for reading the message status it’s a case of using INSERT V to get jaws to 
read all graphics, then working out which graphic next to a message represents 
the various message status such as attachments, read or unread, more messages 
in thread etc. Then turn the JAWS cursor on and control and left arrow to the 
grraphic which represents a message being unread and press INSERT G to bring up 
the graphics labeller. and delete the number label. I leave read message 
graphics blank. You’d then do the same gor the other graphics i.e. mark the 
message your on as unread and you can label the graphic which appears as 
unread. It’s quite easy to work out which is which but perhaps someone on the 
list can post the graphics numbers as mine is setup so I now can’t get the 
numbers. Once done, change jaws again to only read labelled graphics.

There is even a graphic which represents if a message thread is collapsed or 
expanded etc so have a play.

Sorry I didn’t explain that very well. I know how to do it but explaining it in 
a message is harder.

From: Yadiel Sotomayor 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:08 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws

To clarify, the ribbons are easy to use specially with the virtual ribbons in 
jaws 12. Now, my problem with WLM (M for messenger) is that doesn’t matter what 
windows live ID I use, I cannot sign in into messenger. Mine, my sister, my 
best friend, my mother’s, etc. I cannot sign in on my computer. However, using 
another client (instant birsd) I sign in without any problems. 

Now that you mentioned, how did you managed to tell jaws to read the status?

From: Peter Holdstock 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:58 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws

Other than the message status not been spoken automatically byJAWS, what other 
issues with WLM 2011 still exist? When you say about not being able to sign in 
to messenger, what happens? Is it an FS or Messenger issue? The thing with the 
messsage status is easy to fix, but also very annoying as that means FS can 
easily fix it also. The ribbon menus are annoying, butI don’t think they are 
inaccessible in any way, so again I don’t think FS can be blamed for that and 
users should just learn to use the new techniques as they will become as second 
nature as using the older menus in time.


From: Yadiel Sotomayor 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:08 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws

One thing I have found is that windows live mail, messenger, mesh and I believe 
writer works pretty well in version 2011. Although somethings can and must be 
improved I.E. the fact that I don’t know if the message is unread, the fact 
that most of the time I cannot connect to windows live messenger, etc. FS has 
done a good job. The underlining problem is not FS but Microsoft and its 
constant interface “improvements”. Each time is the same. They “improve” the 
products changing a lot of components every 2 to 3 years maximum. The only 
exception to the rule I have found is IE 9. I am super happy that I upgraed 
since the beta due to the fact that it works beautifully with jaws. A lot 
better than what IE 8 ever did. But if you look into the office products, you 
will see what I mean. Look at the ribbons. Look at WLE 2011 again with the 
ribbons. It is a lot of changes. A lot of “improvements”. And FS needs to keep 
up. Yes, it should be faster. Nah, it must be faster. Six months at least? That 
is a lot of time to wait for access. But FS like other screen readers are 
trying to keep up. And they should be congratulated. And have anyone looked at 
the virtual ribbons? They are amazing! If in some programs a little buggy. But 
on the WLE 2011 programs, they work beautifully.

From: ckrugman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:48 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws

good point as I have never used any of the JAWS applications that duplicate the 
regular Windows programs. I've never really understood FS rationale in creating 
such items, especially in that all computer work that I do has to be integrated 
in to the sighted world.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel McGee 
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:38 AM
  Subject: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws

  Hi list, subject says it all. I would like to see Jaws work better with this 
sweap of programmes as well. Currently I use Live Assentials 2009 and really 
want to use 2011. What I am getting at is that I am really surprise that FS are 
taking so long to getting it to work with Jaws. It's like a microsoft programme 
comes out and it's made accessable 6 months later. And by then another version 
comes out. What I am saying is that one is then left behind if you see what I 
mean. Also it might be that this is the way microsoft is going to go with there 
email client and oother programmes as well. It would be better in my view if FS 
could fix programmes for Blind or Visually inpared people rather than creating 
there own stuff which just makes it more big. Just my own personal view though. 
What do others think?  
Yadiel J. Sotomayor

E-MAIL: yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx
Yadiel J. Sotomayor

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