Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws
- From: Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:55:04 +0100
Hi, so your problem with messenger clearly isn’t a jaws issue. I think in the
help menu there is an option to check the status of the windows live server so
I’d maybe check that. If everything is OK and you know your internet is working
then check your firewall and makesure it’s not blocking messenger but I’d be
very surprised if it is. If that doesn’t help then try reinstalling just in
case. It usually gives you an error essage with a code I think so try googling
that.
As for reading the message status it’s a case of using INSERT V to get jaws to
read all graphics, then working out which graphic next to a message represents
the various message status such as attachments, read or unread, more messages
in thread etc. Then turn the JAWS cursor on and control and left arrow to the
grraphic which represents a message being unread and press INSERT G to bring up
the graphics labeller. and delete the number label. I leave read message
graphics blank. You’d then do the same gor the other graphics i.e. mark the
message your on as unread and you can label the graphic which appears as
unread. It’s quite easy to work out which is which but perhaps someone on the
list can post the graphics numbers as mine is setup so I now can’t get the
numbers. Once done, change jaws again to only read labelled graphics.
There is even a graphic which represents if a message thread is collapsed or
expanded etc so have a play.
Sorry I didn’t explain that very well. I know how to do it but explaining it in
a message is harder.
peter
From: Yadiel Sotomayor
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:08 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws
To clarify, the ribbons are easy to use specially with the virtual ribbons in
jaws 12. Now, my problem with WLM (M for messenger) is that doesn’t matter what
windows live ID I use, I cannot sign in into messenger. Mine, my sister, my
best friend, my mother’s, etc. I cannot sign in on my computer. However, using
another client (instant birsd) I sign in without any problems.
Now that you mentioned, how did you managed to tell jaws to read the status?
From: Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:58 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws
Other than the message status not been spoken automatically byJAWS, what other
issues with WLM 2011 still exist? When you say about not being able to sign in
to messenger, what happens? Is it an FS or Messenger issue? The thing with the
messsage status is easy to fix, but also very annoying as that means FS can
easily fix it also. The ribbon menus are annoying, butI don’t think they are
inaccessible in any way, so again I don’t think FS can be blamed for that and
users should just learn to use the new techniques as they will become as second
nature as using the older menus in time.
Peter
From: Yadiel Sotomayor
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:08 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws
One thing I have found is that windows live mail, messenger, mesh and I believe
writer works pretty well in version 2011. Although somethings can and must be
improved I.E. the fact that I don’t know if the message is unread, the fact
that most of the time I cannot connect to windows live messenger, etc. FS has
done a good job. The underlining problem is not FS but Microsoft and its
constant interface “improvements”. Each time is the same. They “improve” the
products changing a lot of components every 2 to 3 years maximum. The only
exception to the rule I have found is IE 9. I am super happy that I upgraed
since the beta due to the fact that it works beautifully with jaws. A lot
better than what IE 8 ever did. But if you look into the office products, you
will see what I mean. Look at the ribbons. Look at WLE 2011 again with the
ribbons. It is a lot of changes. A lot of “improvements”. And FS needs to keep
up. Yes, it should be faster. Nah, it must be faster. Six months at least? That
is a lot of time to wait for access. But FS like other screen readers are
trying to keep up. And they should be congratulated. And have anyone looked at
the virtual ribbons? They are amazing! If in some programs a little buggy. But
on the WLE 2011 programs, they work beautifully.
From: ckrugman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:48 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws
good point as I have never used any of the JAWS applications that duplicate the
regular Windows programs. I've never really understood FS rationale in creating
such items, especially in that all computer work that I do has to be integrated
in to the sighted world.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel McGee
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:38 AM
Subject: Windows Live Assentials with Jaws
Hi list, subject says it all. I would like to see Jaws work better with this
sweap of programmes as well. Currently I use Live Assentials 2009 and really
want to use 2011. What I am getting at is that I am really surprise that FS are
taking so long to getting it to work with Jaws. It's like a microsoft programme
comes out and it's made accessable 6 months later. And by then another version
comes out. What I am saying is that one is then left behind if you see what I
mean. Also it might be that this is the way microsoft is going to go with there
email client and oother programmes as well. It would be better in my view if FS
could fix programmes for Blind or Visually inpared people rather than creating
there own stuff which just makes it more big. Just my own personal view though.
What do others think?
Thanks
Daniel
Yadiel J. Sotomayor
E-MAIL: yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx
Yadiel J. Sotomayor
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