Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
- From: "Allan Wong" <allanwkf@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:29:38 +0800
hi Leslie,
I also having the same problem. I guess this is JAWS 7.10 bug.
Regards,
Allan Wong
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 03:24
Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
Debbie,
I'm complaining about the absence of a blank line immediately above the
heading, not below. I used to have one there, with 7.0, and don't, with 7.1.
And, without a blank line above the heading, I think it's rather confusing
to tell where one track listing end and the next heading begins, while
quickly reading through the list, with the arrow keys.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
> Dana, and now tell me again how you are navigating this?
> If I press H (or 3 when I get down to them) for a heading and then arrow
> down I get the same thing in Jaws 7.0 and Jaws 7.1.
> i get for example
> Barenaked Ladies - All Their Greatest Hits 1991-2001
> Then if I arrow down I get
> 1. The Old Apartment
> I don't get a blank line.
> Debbie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>
>
> I'm not quite sure how it appears to a sighted visitor. That's something
> I'll investigate the next time I have some sighted assistance, to go over
> it
> with me. But, in general, I would like my pages to be useful, and easily
> readable, by any visitor, whether blind or sighted, and, as a matter of my
> own pride in workmanship, I'd like to be sure I know how to so design
> them.
>
> Blessed Be,
>
> Dana
> that's Dayna, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A
>
> D. S. Leslie, nÃe C. R. Guttman
> Email: DSLeslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Skype: dsleslie
> Web: ÃE OL' PHILOSOPHIE SHOPPE
> Your Source for Discounted Ideas
> http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>
>
>> Ah, I get it. I'll go to the page just to look, anyway, but your
>> description explains it well. I have only one memory to draw on of a
>> similar page navigation situation where lack of blank spaces the way
>> you're
>> describing confused me so much that I dropped my subscription to a
>> particular online journal, because the table of contents for each issue
>> didn't leave blank lines between the article titles and their subheads
>> and
>> or authors' names, and however hard I tried to keep clearly in mind the
>> sequence, so I could figure out which article was rotten by which of the
>> issues several writers, I kept getting confused because the items weren't
>> separated by blank lines from each other.
>>
>> But I'll admit, I wasn't navigating then in terms of headings, just
>> arrowing
>> down through the table of contents. Even now, were I to return to that
>> page, I don't think I'd be using headings for going through the list.
>> But
>> what counts here is the mess it can make of a list such as the one you're
>> describing to not have blank lines separating the listed items clearly
>> from
>> each other.
>>
>> Hope you have some success fixing this. By the way, since you say it's
>> essentially your own Web page, is it that you want to change the Jaws
>> behavior so that you can tell other Jaws users how to do it? Do you also
>> hope to host many sighted visitors, and do you think that the list looks
>> that way to them, just a mush of text without any breaks?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>
>>
>> Yardbird,
>>
>> Yes, I'm talking about html headings; sorry I misspoke.
>>
>> As an example of what I'm concerned about, go to my online discography:
>> http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/cds.shtml
>>
>> There, you'll see that the track listing for each album is preceded by a
>> level 3 heading, giving the title of the album. But, between any such
>> heading and the track listing immediately above, there is no longer a
>> blank
>> line, as there used to be with 7.0. I find this a bit confusing, when
>> reading through the discography with the up and down arrows, and not just
>> jumping from heading to heading. I'd like to revert to the 7.0 behavior,
>> if
>> I can figure out how to do so.
>>
>> Blessed Be,
>>
>> Dana
>> that's Dayna, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A
>>
>> D. S. Leslie, nÃe C. R. Guttman
>> Email: DSLeslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: dsleslie
>> Web: ÃE OL' PHILOSOPHIE SHOPPE
>> Your Source for Discounted Ideas
>> http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 2:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>
>>
>>> P.S. to my first post I just sent. You say "header," and I thought you
>>> meant "heading," which is a page design element. Do you actually mean
>>> "header?" What's a header on a Web page? Or aren't you talking about
>>> the
>>> Web?
>>>
>>> Genuinely confused, now.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Debbie. I think that's what I had in mind; I remember coming across
>>> that text, before. But, I'm pretty sure I read it in one of the ins-F1
>>> dialogues, for an option somewhere in Configuration Manager. But, at
>>> least,
>>> I can use the options in the ins-V dialogue, to experiment with them, to
>>> see
>>> their effects.
>>>
>>> Any luck on discovering how I can get back the blank line that used to
>>> appear above an HTML header?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Dana
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dana, I don't remember that being in configuration manager.
>>>> The jaws help says for example:
>>>> When reading a Web page with the Virtual Cursor, JAWS places each link
>>>> on
>>>> its own line, even if the document visually presents the link on a line
>>>> with
>>>> other text or additional links.
>>>> Tables. JAWS reads the cells in order from left to right and behaves
>>>> as
>>>> if
>>>> each table cell begins on a new line.
>>>> So jaws doesn't ever actually change the way the page is displayed
>>>> except
>>>> for the way it "interprets" and "stores" it in the virtual buffer.
>>>> Could you be thinking of documentation presentation? Screen layout
>>>> versus
>>>> simple layout? (insert V dialog).
>>>> Both 7.0 and 7.1 say JFWLite Home Page (heading 1) followed by Programs
>>>> Page.
>>>> Debbie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "JFWList" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Where in Configuration Manager is it located?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I remember that, when I initially looked through the new Configuration
>>>> Manager, I found a section to control whether HTML links are each
>>>> displayed
>>>> on a separate line (as has always been the case, up until 7.1), and
>>>> whether
>>>> cells in a table are each displayed on a separate line. Now I want to
>>>> experiment with these settings, but I can't find my way back to them.
>>>> can
>>>> anyone give me directions?
>>>>
>>>> Also, I don't remember seeing a control for this, but does anyone know
>>>> of
>>>> one: Previously, there was always a blank line above any header, in an
>>>> HTML
>>>> document. Now, in 7.1, headers follow immediately upon the previous
>>>> text,
>>>> with no blank line in-between. I'd like to restore the previous
>>>> behavior,
>>>> and regain those blank lines. does anyone know how to accomplish this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Blessed Be,
>>>>
>>>> Dana
>>>> that's Dayna, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A
>>>>
>>>> D. S. Leslie, nÃe C. R. Guttman
>>>> Email: DSLeslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Skype: dsleslie
>>>> Web: ÃE OL' PHILOSOPHIE SHOPPE
>>>> Your Source for Discounted Ideas
>>>> http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/
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