Alan, What color, why "Scarlet Ribbons" of course! Did you need to ask? Dave Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Dicey To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 15:33 Subject: WLM 11 keyboard shortcuts? to avoid feeling like the ribbon of darkness nowhere man - apologies to lightfoot and beatles Hello Rik and Friends, I am in the exact boat! Oh why, Oh why did Microsoft have to do that to us? Just so sighted folks could have some pretty ribbons? What color are the Ribbons anyway? LOL! Well, I have gotten a lot out of this thread also, so Thanks! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik James To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:20 PM Subject: Re: WLM 11 keyboard shortcuts? to avoid feeling like the ribbon of darkness nowhere man - apologies to lightfoot and beatles Thanks. I do have the ribbons feature in my version 12 of JAWS. I am just missing the simplicity of the keyboard shortcuts that I knew in the old version of WLM. I have to get it figured out the pathways to my usual commands. Knowing whether to TAB or go up arrrow, right arrow, left arrow, etc. And then, sometimes I guess I need to hit ENTER on some of it, too. I just do not know what to do when. And by the time I fool with it and get what I want to do, heck if I am smart enough to remember all of that pathway the next time! I do have the JAWS training materials, and have worked with it some. I will need to go and review it again. Someone answered this post with an extensive Microsoft links to the shortcuts for this and other programs. So I will try and get the ones I need and try them. I guess ribbons must be here to stay, huh? So, I will do my best to get smarter. Thanks. Rik From: inthane Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:49 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: WLM 11 keyboard shortcuts? to avoid feeling like the ribbon of darkness nowhere man - apologies to lightfoot and beatles you need jaws 12 and its virtual ribbons, or you can find applications on the web that will replace the ribbons with menu's for about 30 to 50 dollars HTH, Inthane ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik James To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:13 AM Subject: WLM 11 keyboard shortcuts? to avoid feeling like the ribbon of darkness nowhere man - apologies to lightfoot and beatles I have been trying to deal with the ribbons in WLM 11 with my Windows 7 home premium system, using JFW 12, latest update. Does anyone know where to get the keyboard shortcuts, so I can quit wasting so much time going left, right, up and down and getting nowhere with the ribbons? Things I used to get under Tools and Format and Insert under the old menu structure, they just keep confusing me using the ribbons. I will say that JAWS seems to speak okay with these ribbons. It is just that I do not understand where to go! Thanks for any help. Rik