Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
- From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:25:08 +0100
I don't know if you've read the whole passage, but the file supposedly
contains diagnostic information that Freedom Scientific can use to
analyse what caused the crash and hopefully with that analysis they can
use that to fix the issue, if such exists, in a new release. I've not
done it myself as I don't need to at this time, but hope that helps.
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:13:10 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
> Chris,
>
> that's really interesting. I never noticed this particular news about the
> latest features of version 8. Can you say under what circumstances we're
> supposed to send that dump file to FS? Is it only if we're talking to or
> corresponding with tech support to get help figuring out why Jaws
> crashed?
> Or is it hoped we'll send that file pasted into an email message to tech
> support even when we're happy just because we recovered from the Jaws
> crash
> without having to reboot, just to provide them with data?
>
> For instance, IE 6 used to crash fairly often for me (I'm using IE 7 now,
> a
> late adopter, as usual) , and just to be a good end user, I made a
> practice
> of allowing a report to be sent to Microsoft rather than declining the
> invitation of that dialogue you get. Doesn't require any effort or take
> much
> time, so I figured, why not? I mean, even though I didn't get in touch
> with
> MS or try to understand what had caused the crash, since I could always
> just
> bring IE up again, without a hitch. I mean, without rebooting. But does
> FS
> hope we'll send them these dump files for their files, so to speak? Would
> that be helpful to them in dealing with bugs in a release?
>
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> JAWS Memory Dump Command
>
> If a total loss of speech occurs, it is difficult to recover JAWS
> without rebooting the computer. However, a reboot provides no diagnostic
> information to
> assist Freedom Scientific in researching the underlying problem.
>
> INSERT+WINDOWS Key+F4 is a new JAWS keystroke for emergency recovery.
> The new keystroke closes JAWS, terminates all related processes, and
> creates a memory
> dump file. The diagnostic information can be used to assist Technical
> Support. (Note: The keystroke will not work at the Windows Log In
> screen.) After
> issuing this command, you can restart JAWS to regain speech.
>
> The memory dump file is saved to the Settings folder. To locate the
> file, do the following:
>
> list of 5 items
> 1. Press CTRL+ESC to open the Start menu.
> 2. Choose Programs.
> 3. Choose JAWS 8.0, Explore JAWS, and then Explore My Settings. This
> opens the following folder: C:\Documents and Settings\<your user
> name>\Application
> Data\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\8.0\Settings\ENU.
> 4. Press the BACKSPACE key to navigate to the Settings folder.
> 5. Select the JAWSMemDmp folder and press ENTER. The files in this
> folder are identified by the JAWS version and build number.
> list end
>
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:17:19 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> said:
> > Chris H.,
> >
> > This emergency recovery keystroke is something new, for me. Can you
> > either
> > explain its purpose or point me to an explanation in the Jaws Help. I
> > would
> > like to know what its purpose is, and when would be appropriate
> > situations
> > for using it. It sounds as if it might really be helpful to know. Thanks.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
> >
> >
> > Lol wish it did, but unfortunately it doesn't. However you can use the
> > emergency recovery keystroke, windows-insert-f4 (caps-shift-f12 on
> > laptops), and then reload JAWS. JAWS will load as a service again,
> > presuming you've told it to do so.
> > On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:45:47 -0700, "golden" <golden789@xxxxxxxxx> said:
> > > hi Christopher
> > >
> > > does it also work when computer crashes? really wonderful if it does. a
> > > real
> > > nightmare when computer crashes. jaws application ceases to work at all.
> > > thanks again for sharing.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve Boodram" <steve.boodram@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christopher, I copied the porting of the e-mail containing that
> > > > command
> > > > and
> > > > paste it in the first edit field when I open the JAWS properties. Is
> > > > this
> > > > feature available with JAWS 7 by the way? I though I should ask since
> > > > I
> > > > use
> > > > this version.
> > > > Phone: 1-868-636-3519
> > > > Fax: 1-868-679-1001
> > > > Mobile: 1-868-730-8377
> > > > e-mail: steve.boodram@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:49 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Steve, are you sure you typed:
> > > >>
> > > >> net start jfwservice
> > > >>
> > > >> and nothing else? The above line must be typed exactly as shown
> > > >> otherwise you will get that message.
> > > >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:50:31 -0400, "Steve Boodram"
> > > >> <steve.boodram@xxxxxxxxx> said:
> > > >> > Hi Chris, I tried that and it didn't work. I am getting a message
> > > >> > called
> > > >> > invalid pathname or something like that. Am I doing something
> > > >> > wrong?
> > > >> > I
> > > >> > typed
> > > >> > in the correct path, but still no luck.
> > > >> > Phone: 1-868-636-3519
> > > >> > Fax: 1-868-679-1001
> > > >> > Mobile: 1-868-730-8377
> > > >> > e-mail: steve.boodram@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:02 PM
> > > >> > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a Service
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Open the JAWS shortcut properties and in the target field type
> > > >> > > net
> > > > start
> > > >> > > jfwservice and hit enter.
> > > >> > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:11:09 -0400, "Steve Boodram"
> > > >> > > <steve.boodram@xxxxxxxxx> said:
> > > >> > > > Hi, I was having server problems with gmail and had to delete
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > > > contents of my inbox. I lost the message that gave the steps
> > > >> > > > for
> > > >> > starting
> > > >> > > > JAWS as a service. Could someone please repost? Thanks.
> > > >> > > > Phone: 1-868-636-3519
> > > >> > > > Fax: 1-868-679-1001
> > > >> > > > Mobile: 1-868-730-8377
> > > >> > > > e-mail: steve.boodram@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > From: Don Moore
> > > >> > > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:27 AM
> > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a
> > > >> > > > Service
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Hi,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I have been following this thread with great interest and
> > > >> > > > it
> > > > seems
> > > >> > > > that the advantage of starting JAWS as a service instead
> > > >> > > > of
> > > >> > > > an
> > > >> > > > application is that JAWS loads sooner and, therefore, you
> > > >> > > > get
> > > > more
> > > >> > > > information while booting up your computer and you also
> > > >> > > > get
> > > > more
> > > >> > > > information reported by JAWS when shutting down your
> > > >> > > > computer.
> > > >> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Furthermore, is it correct that starting JAWS
> > > >> > > > automatically
> > > >> > > > accomplishes the same thing as replacing the path in the
> > > > Desktop
> > > >> > > > shortcut for JAWS and, if so, does JAWS have to be
> > > >> > > > running
> > > > from
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > System Tray as well to accomplish this?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Thanks in advance for enlightening me,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Don
> > > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > From: Moti Azrad
> > > >> > > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:06 AM
> > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a
> > > >> > > > Service
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Hi all,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I didn't read this thread from the beginning but wish to
> > > >> > > > know:
> > > >> > > > What is the plus to use Jaws as a service and not as an
> > > > application?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Thanks
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Moti
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Moti Azrad
> > > >> > > > Musician & Piano-Tuner
> > > >> > > > motia@xxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > azrad_moty@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > motiaz@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > Israel
> > > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > From: Christopher Bartlett
> > > >> > > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:20 PM
> > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a
> > > > Service
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Is there a way to have JFW come up as a service
> > > >> > > > initially?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Christopher Bartlett
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > At 03:50 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote:
> > > >> > > > >What I was thinking is this. Say JAWS has crashed, or,
> > > >> > > > like
> > > > you
> > > >> > said,
> > > >> > > > >someone wanted to use the computer with JAWS turned off.
> > > > Well, if
> > > >> > you
> > > >> > > > >restart JAWS in the normal way (i.e. from the original
> > > > shortcut
> > > >> > or
> > > >> > > > >hotkey that the shortcut's assigned to), JAWS will load
> > > >> > > > as
> > > >> > > > an
> > > >> > > > >application rather than a service. Now, if JAWS runs as
> > > >> > > > an
> > > >> > application,
> > > >> > > > >it will unload during the shutdown service, meaning it
> > > >> > > > won't
> > > >> > speak
> > > >> > > > >through the shutdown process. JAWS will also not speak
> > > >> > > > when
> > > >> > you're asked
> > > >> > > > >for a password to log back into Windows or any other
> > > >> > Windows-based log
> > > >> > > > >on screen, such as the one that displays when you turn
> > > >> > > > your
> > > >> > computer
> > > >> > > > >back on after a standby or hybernation procedure. If
> > > >> > > > JAWS
> > > > runs as
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > > > >service, however, JAWS will speak, even at the log in
> > > >> > > > prompts
> > > > and
> > > >> > shut
> > > >> > > > >down screen. So this is why I thought this tip would be
> > > >> > > > very
> > > >> > useful, so
> > > >> > > > >that you can restart JAWS manually, and it will still
> > > >> > > > speak
> > > > the
> > > >> > above.
> > > >> > > > >Hope this clears any confusions you had.
> > > >> > > > >On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:12:08 -0700, "Yardbird"
> > > >> > <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > >said:
> > > >> > > > > > hello.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > I'm not quite clear how this works. For one thing, I
> > > > already
> > > >> > have Jaws
> > > >> > > > > > set
> > > >> > > > > > to load on startup (isn't that as a "service?"). So,
> > > >> > > > the
> > > > only
> > > >> > time I use
> > > >> > > > > > my
> > > >> > > > > > shortcut (actually, I tend more often to use control
> > > >> > > > alt
> > > >> > > > j
> > > > and
> > > >> > not the
> > > >> > > > > > icon,
> > > >> > > > > > because I don't need Jaws running to find it!). But I
> > > > don't
> > > >> > understand
> > > >> > > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > point of doing this. I'm missing something, maybe?
> > > >> > > > Again,
> > > > the
> > > >> > only time I
> > > >> > > > > > start Jaws manually at all is when I've exited it for
> > > >> > > > some
> > > >> > reason, like
> > > >> > > > > > that
> > > >> > > > > > a sighted friend's been using the computer and
> > > >> > > > preferred
> > > > it to
> > > >> > be
> > > >> > > > > > actually
> > > >> > > > > > off, not just have the volume turned down. So they
> > > >> > > > could
> > > > use
> > > >> > the Web
> > > >> > > > > > properly, for instance, without the interference of
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > virtual buffer
> > > >> > > > > > screen. Normal enough. But then, if they don't
> > > >> > > > remember
> > > >> > > > to
> > > >> > restart jaws
> > > >> > > > > > (there's a toilet seat joke in there somewhere, with
> > > > screen
> > > >> > reader users
> > > >> > > > > > being the female and sighted computer user friends
> > > >> > > > being
> > > > the
> > > >> > males), then
> > > >> > > > > > I
> > > >> > > > > > just hit my shortcut key combo and it launches. And,
> > > >> > > > if
> > > >> > > > I
> > > > shut
> > > >> > down, next
> > > >> > > > > > time I boot up, it loads as a service, as usual.
> > > >> > > > Unless
> > > > this
> > > >> > isn't what
> > > >> > > > > > "service" means?
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Okay, that's one question. The other is, if my Jaws
> > > >> > > > is
> > > > already
> > > >> > loading on
> > > >> > > > > > startup, then how come it doesn't already keep
> > > >> > > > speaking
> > > > all
> > > >> > the way
> > > >> > > > > > through
> > > >> > > > > > the Windows shutdown sequence, until the screen goes
> > > >> > > > dark?
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Maybe you can see the source of my confusion in my
> > > > questions.
> > > >> > I hope.
> > > >> > > > > > Educated me, please.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > >> > > > > > cirtual enitrely,from the desktop or but that isn't
> > > >> > > > my
> > > >> > pointcla
> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > > From: "Christopher Hallsworth"
> > > >> > <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "JAWS-Users"
> > > >> > <jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:41 AM
> > > >> > > > > > Subject: Tip of the Day: Manually Starting JAWS As a
> > > > Service
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > >> > > > > > I've recently discovered that there is a way to
> > > >> > > > manually
> > > > start
> > > >> > JAWS as a
> > > >> > > > > > service using the JAWS shortcut placed on the desktop
> > > >> > > > once
> > > >> > JAWS is
> > > >> > > > > > installed. Here's how to do it:
> > > >> > > > > > 1. Go to the desktop with Windows M
> > > >> > > > > > 2. Press j until JAWS <version> (where <version> is
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > version(s) of
> > > >> > > > > > JAWS you've installed, such as JAWS 8.0).
> > > >> > > > > > 3. Press alt enter to open the JAWS properties. The
> > > >> > > > JAWS
> > > >> > properties
> > > >> > > > > > dialogue box appears, with the target edit field in
> > > >> > > > focus.
> > > >> > > > > > 4. Delete what's in the target field and type the
> > > > following,
> > > >> > exactly as
> > > >> > > > > > shown:
> > > >> > > > > > net start jfwservice
> > > >> > > > > > 5. Press enter.
> > > >> > > > > > 6. Press F5 to refresh your desktop.
> > > >> > > > > > To test this:
> > > >> > > > > > 1. Unload JAWS with insert F4 and enter.
> > > >> > > > > > 2. Go to the desktop and press enter on the JAWS icon
> > > > whose
> > > >> > properties
> > > >> > > > > > you have modified.
> > > >> > > > > > 3. Although JAWS will load as expected, you'll notice
> > > >> > > > that
> > > >> > unlike the
> > > >> > > > > > regular shortcut that's placed after you've installed
> > > > JAWS,
> > > >> > JAWS will
> > > >> > > > > > speak even after you've logged off windows!
> > > >> > > > > > Hope this tip is of some use! David, you may want to
> > > >> > > > put
> > > > this
> > > >> > up on your
> > > >> > > > > > site for those who are interested. Enjoy!
> > > >> > > > > > Christopher Hallsworth
> > > >> > > > > > E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > > Skype name chrishallsworth7266
> > > >> > > > > > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > JFW related links:
> > > >> > > > > > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > >> > > > > > Scripting mailing list:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > >> > > > > > JFW List instructions:
> > > >> > > > > > To post a message to the list, send it to
> > > > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message
> > > >> > > > to
> > > >> > > > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe
> > > >> > > > in
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > subject line.
> > > >> > > > > > Archives located at:
> > > >> > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > If you have any concerns about the list, post
> > > >> > > > received
> > > > from
> > > >> > the list, or
> > > >> > > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > way the list is being run, do not post them to the
> > > >> > > > list.
> > > >> > Rather contact
> > > >> > > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > >> > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.9/870 -
> > > >> > > > Release
> > > > Date:
> > > >> > 6/26/2007
> > > >> > > > > > 10:07 AM
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > --
> > > >> > > > > > JFW related links:
> > > >> > > > > > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > >> > > > > > Scripting mailing list:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > >> > > > > > JFW List instructions:
> > > >> > > > > > To post a message to the list, send it to
> > > > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message
> > > >> > > > to
> > > >> > > > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe
> > > >> > > > in
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > subject line.
> > > >> > > > > > Archives located at:
> > > >> > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > If you have any concerns about the list, post
> > > >> > > > received
> > > > from
> > > >> > the list, or
> > > >> > > > > > the way the list is being run, do not post them to
> > > >> > > > the
> > > > list.
> > > >> > Rather
> > > >> > > > > > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > >Christopher Hallsworth
> > > >> > > > >E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > >Skype name chrishallsworth7266
> > > >> > > > >MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >--
> > > >> > > > >JFW related links:
> > > >> > > > >JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > >> > > > >Scripting mailing list:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >>http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > >> > > > >JFW List instructions:
> > > >> > > > >To post a message to the list, send it to
> > > >> > > > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> > > >> > > > >jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in
> > > >> > > > the
> > > >> > subject line.
> > > >> > > > >Archives located at:
> > > >> > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >If you have any concerns about the list, post received
> > > >> > > > from
> > > > the
> > > >> > > > >list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them
> > > >> > > > to
> > > > the
> > > >> > > > >list. Rather contact the list owner at
> > > > jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --
> > > >> > > > JFW related links:
> > > >> > > > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > >> > > > Scripting mailing list:
> > > >> > > >
> > > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > >> > > > JFW List instructions:
> > > >> > > > To post a message to the list, send it to
> > > >> > > > jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> > > >> > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in
> > > >> > > > the
> > > > subject
> > > >> > > > line.
> > > >> > > > Archives located at:
> > > >> > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received
> > > >> > > > from
> > > > the
> > > >> > > > list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them
> > > >> > > > to
> > > > the
> > > >> > > > list. Rather contact the list owner at
> > > > jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > __________ NOD32 2361 (20070628) Information __________
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > Christopher Hallsworth
> > > >> > > E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > Skype name chrishallsworth7266
> > > >> > > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > JFW related links:
> > > >> > > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > >> > > Scripting mailing list:
> > > >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > >> > > JFW List instructions:
> > > >> > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
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> > > >> > >
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> > > >> > contact
> > > >> > the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > JFW related links:
> > > >> > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > >> > Scripting mailing list:
> > > >> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > >> > JFW List instructions:
> > > >> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
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> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
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> > > >> > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
> > > >> > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Christopher Hallsworth
> > > >> E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Skype name chrishallsworth7266
> > > >> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> JFW related links:
> > > >> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > >> Scripting mailing list:
> > > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > >> JFW List instructions:
> > > >> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject
> > > > line.
> > > >> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > > >>
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> > > >> or
> > > > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
> > > > contact
> > > > the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > JFW related links:
> > > > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > > Scripting mailing list:
> > > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > > JFW List instructions:
> > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > --
> > > JFW related links:
> > > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > > Scripting mailing list:
> > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > > JFW List instructions:
> > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> > > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
> > > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> > >
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> > > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
> > > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Christopher Hallsworth
> > E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Skype name chrishallsworth7266
> > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > --
> > JFW related links:
> > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > Scripting mailing list:
> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > JFW List instructions:
> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
> > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >
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> > the
> > way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
> > the
> > list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007
> > 2:15 PM
> >
> > --
> > JFW related links:
> > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> > Scripting mailing list:
> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> > JFW List instructions:
> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
> > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >
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> > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Christopher Hallsworth
> E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Skype name chrishallsworth7266
> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> --
> JFW related links:
> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> Scripting mailing list:
> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> JFW List instructions:
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>
> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
> the
> way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
> the
> list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007
> 2:15 PM
>
>
> --
> JFW related links:
> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> Scripting mailing list:
> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> JFW List instructions:
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>
> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Christopher Hallsworth
E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Skype name chrishallsworth7266
MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
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