A couple of things come to mine. One, you might put the jaws cursor on the blank, label it but that is not your answer. You could run auto graphics labeler, but that probably won't do it for you either. The question I have for you is what is your graphics verbosity set to. If labeled, try setting it to all and see if that controll shows up as something besides a blank. Johnnie Apple Seed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Marquette" <emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:00 AM Subject: The Silent Control Occasionally I encounter a program with a control that JAWS reports as silent. Actually, JFW doesn't report its presence at all. I'm thinking perhaps there is an adjustment that may need to be made, perhaps, in the minimum icon dimentions. Any ideas? Here is a real example, in Real Player (for playing MP3 and Windows Media files it beats Media Player hands down), there is a way to sort the files in "My Library." In my case, I have labeled the songs in the "comments" field by rhythm category, e.g., rumba, cha cha, swing, and so on. Of course, I haven't labeled all the songs. By sorting on the "comments" field in descending order, all labeled songs should be sorted at the top of the list. In standard windows form (couldn't find a keyboard command or a menu option) one should be able to click on the table header label to force a sort. I clicked all day on each of the letters of the word "comments," but nothing happened. Then, I moved the mouse pointer to the right of the word "comments." JAWS said "blank," and I assumed that meant there was nothing there. Never assume! I did a left mouse click on the "blank," and my files were sorted just the way I wanted. Now, this has a happy ending, but the route to get there was more accidental than anything else. There ought to be a better way. How can I make JFW say something on the "blank" that is somewhat more meaningful than "blank." As I said, JFW does not recognize the presence of anything. cursor -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx