Re: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:29:35 -0500
Yadiel:
You are right on the money. Congratulations.
sincerely:
Dave durber
----- Original Message -----
From: Yadiel Sotomayor
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
I really thought that the jaws cursor was the mouse pointer and the invisible
cursor was the one that couldn't be seen, thus invisible in it's name.
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 5:47 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
Chris,
I was working with Judy's terminology. (See below.) I would have thought both
the invisible and unrestricted JAWS cursors moved around the screen in ways not
apparent to sighted users.
Your subsequent message with three suggestions helps a lot. I thought FS had
made adjustments so that the PC cursor's activity could be tracked by sighted
users, but recent experience showed me otherwise, as clearly you already know.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Chris Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 4:20 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
Hello Adrian.
Just for clarification I believe you have the unrestricted Jaws cursor
confused with the invisible cursor.
I hope this helps.
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 4:13 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
Judy, I'm sure I'm being dense here, but to clarify, are you saying your
sighted colleague doesn't see the cursor move when you're using (1) the PC
cursor or (2) the unrestricted JAWS cursor? I would think the unrestricted JAWS
cursor wouldn't be visible to a sighted person. As you know, the whole point of
the JAWS cursor, unrestricted or otherwise, is to enable blind users to move
around the screen without affecting it in any way.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Judy Jones
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 4:05 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
Hi, and thanks.
I totally understand.
The most recent scenario is this: I was trying to show a sighted colleague
at work how to work in the case management system for our state agency. It is
totally accessible to Jaws users, but since I was navigating with key strokes
instead of the mouse, that cursor wasn't tracking where I was. The cursor she
was looking at was standing still.
What I will try is to set "unrestricted" cursor. But it sounds thatif I am
using the PC cursor with no problems, the cursor she sees isn't tracking.
If this doesn't make sense, let me know.
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue B
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
Judy,
I'm sure you know this already, but I'll say it anyway... you will need to
be much more specific about the areas that you aren't able to read on a screen.
If you are dealing with parts of a web page, you are likely dealing with
something that the web designer left out when it comes to accessibility. If you
are referring to something more generic, tell us about it, maybe everyone
collectively can come up with solutions.
Sue B.
On 11/27/2010 1:36 PM, Judy Jones wrote:
Hi,
I like your first idea. (grin) I do the tether thing anyway to get to
areas the virtual cursor sometimes can't get to. Depending on the screen, the
Jaws to PC doesn't always read everything either when arrowing through. Are
there helps for that, too?
Thanks.
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue B
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
Judy,
I think you should get your sighted friend and family to learn JAWS.
Just kidding. One idea is to turn on the Teather JAWS to PC feature. This will
work when you are filling in form fields as the mouse pointer will move to
where you are typing. It will not follow the virtual PC Cursor, but it is a
start toward a solution. I think the keystroke is: CTRL+JAWSCursor+NumPad
Minus.
I'm looking forward to hearing other ideas on this.
Sue B.
On 11/27/2010 1:17 PM, Judy Jones wrote:
Hi,
I'm talking about navigating and reading a web page, plus filling in form
fields.
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue B
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Sighted people tracking Jaws.
Judy,
Are you specifically referring to when you are browsing the web or
reading an e-mail that is in HTML format?
Sue B.
On 11/27/2010 12:49 PM, Judy Jones wrote:
Hello,
I've had a scenario come up on which I need advice.
If a sighted colleague wants to see where you're navigating on screen
with Jaws, is there a way to help him do that. In various situations, either
at home or at work, when a colleague or family member wants to follow what I'm
doing, the cursor they see on screen isn't following my keystrokes. Also, if
they try to use the mouse with Jaws turned on, the cursor they see doesn't
track well. Is there a fix to this?
Thanks.
Judy
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