Re speed reading & : jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation
- From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:30:02 -0500
Flor,
Not only are you are right about thep rogress bar andthe speed reading, but
I wastrying to speed read my way down through files I storeand review in
research.
JAWS 6 reads and this is an approximation about 20% slower than earlier
JAWS versions in opening, closing, down arrowing, opening, closing and down
arrowing through files in list views.
Even if others don't care how rapidly one can down arrow through files in
list views, why are not there more speed reading methods available?
Every one knows I was once ableto speedread on web pages
like Circuit City etc. using the "s" and the more speed reading methods
the better in my opinion!
I remember speed reading visual text and let me say no person with vision
wastes time reading just one word at a time a ndthen the next word etc.
They speed through documents very rapidly without losing the meaning at all!
like reading the last sentence of a paragraph orglancing past words.
JAWS could do this.
When using "saya ll", I am hittingthe down arrow key to then ext idea in
context.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation
> Yep. I can see what you mean. More than likely, it's just not accurate
> enough in tracking what's going on.
>
> Another feature I like that was introduced into JAWS6, but which could
> do with further improvement that would make it substantially better, is
> the "Skim Reading" feature. I think, more often than not, that most
> readers want to *skip* certain text repetitions, not just 'skim' them,
> i.e., omit certain text strings from the reading, i.e., Web links that
> one will not visit, etc., and not just based on sentence structure. (It
> will be improved - I hear something about there being a links list for
> it in JAWS6.1. I feel there's room for textual enhancement as well, as
> I've tried to outline.) There might be an option to read first and last
> sentences of a paragraph: at the moment you can read either first
> sentence, or first line. The text labels feature for badly-named links
> is also potentially useful, provided, of course, that one can find out
> what the said link is supposed to actually do. It sounds like that with
> the progress bar announcement, they were beaten by the deadline for
> release of JAWS6 before they could fix it properly!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation
>
>
> Personally, I have no problem with this feature confusing or annoying
> me,
> although I respect the feelings of you and others who hate it. Fine.
> But
> my only question is this: When loading a Web page, or downloading
> email,
> for instance, the thing really seems to be kind of silly. I'll hear 1
> percent, then six per cent, or something, then all of a sudden 100 per
> cent.
> this has nothing to do with how I might set it to announce progress at
> this
> or that interval. No. This isn't what I'm describing. What happens is
> that it seems to start tracking progress, then lose focus or something,
> and
> then announce 100 per cent or, in the case of a Web page, the status
> line
> will say "done," sometimes. It simply doesn't seem to really work.
> It's
> this that I actually find annoying, not the chatter.
>
> I don't wish to argue about the chattering. I just want to know if
> anyone
> recognizes this problem I'm talking about.
>
> Thank you,
> Daniel
> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: jaws 6 .0 best feature bad implementation
>
>
> the jfw progress bar has been a long time coming considerring the
> competition had it for a long time.
>
> this feature is with out a doubt the biggest new feature in jfw 6
> excluding
> the ability to use remote desk top that cost extra.
>
>
> so for most of us the progress bar is the best thing jfw has to offer in
> way of new features in version 6.
>
> for the love of me the feature is poorly implemented.
>
> its designed to work automaticly, and in some places like windows update
> i
> actually like that.
>
> most of the time though it drives me crazy with constant chatter.
>
> so like most i turn it off.
>
>
>
> the competition how ever does not have it work automaticly, for those
> not
> familiar with window eyes.
>
>
> for a very good reason, suppose you actually want to do something like
> multi tasking, wow what a novel idea.
>
>
> can you imagen a blind user who actually wants to download 2 things
> from 2
> differant sites at the same time.
>
> or a blind person using 2 differant programs that have the progress bar.
>
> do blind folks like that really exist.
>
> well yes they do freedom scientific.
>
>
> this means the progress bar leavs you more confused than helped.
>
>
> freedom scientific please give us a third manual option with a keystroke
> assigned to it
> so we can get feedback when we want feedback and only when we want it.
>
>
> in fact thats the whole idea behing scripting, more power allows for
> less
> chatter.
>
> so why a feature that does the opposite, giving to much feedback.
>
>
> bottom line this message was spurred on by the fact another jfw user
> wanted
> to know if they can disable the chatter, the answer being yes and its
> also
> adjustable.
>
>
>
> lets hope jfw6.1 fixes this glaring design flaw in what is a very good
> feature with a poor implementation.
>
> as it stands now just about every jaws user i know is turning that
> sucker
> off.
> the first weekthey think its great, second week its turned off.
>
> i have to admit i am some what surprised that they did not get some of
> the
> same feedback from their beta testers and fix this before shipping.
>
> lets hope they get the message and fix this flaw.
> lets hope a free 6.1 upgrade addresses it.
>
> curious if any body on this list actually likes this current
> implementation
> of this feature
> or would rather have a manual option they invoke when they want to
> invoke
> it.
> i have been waiting over a year for jfw to add this feature, and now
> that
> it has it i am still waiting for them to get it right.
>
> by the way i am asking for a manual option, its o k with me if jfw
> provides
> a 3 toggle option for those that like the automatic option
>
> so do not think i am suggesting getting rid of the current automatic
> feature, only adding manual for us that prefer that route.
>
>
> bill
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> At 04:25 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi list. Well, I took the plunge and installed jaws 6.0 today and it
> went
>>without problems. However, I have noticed that when loading a web page
> or
>>downloading email that jaws keeps on saying 1 percent up to 100 percent
> at
>>various intervals until everything is loaded. Is there a way to shut
> this
>>up or do I just get use to it being a new feature in the 6.0 product.
>>
>>
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