RE: Problem with Word document
- From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:39:38 -0500
Well, a few ways I can think of, and I'm pretty sure there are more:
1) put the text in it's own section, then "protect" the section; that
keeps you from changing anything in the section, but I'm not sure if it
keeps you from moving the cursor into it.
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2) put the text in a text box, and locate the text box in the margin of
the document (maybe you set the margins rather wide to allow for this).
I'm sure then that you can't get the cursor into the margin area.
3) is a possibility I'm not sure about, but you may be able to locate
the text in a column of a table, or even a cell, and then "protect" or
"lock" the cell or column. I think I read something about that, but
would have to go check on it.
4) Create an actual word form. In that case, all the text is protected
from you changing it, or even moving your cursor to it, except for the
fields which are placed in the form for your data entry. This would be
the most accessible way of doing things for a blind person, but the
designer would still need to define "help text" for each form field
which, when that field has the focus, would identify to the user what
text or information is to be placed in that field.
Hth,
Chip
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Catherine Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:41 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Problem with Word document
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> Ah ok. So how can it be arranged so that cursor can't pass=20
> over certain text?
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> Sorry, just would like to know.
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> Catherine
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Chip Orange
> > Sent: 02 November 2004 14:40
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Problem with Word document
> >
> >
> > Well, as I said, jaws doesn't read you the entire line=20
> except when you=20
> > use the up or down arrow keys. If they've arranged the document in=20
> > some way so that your cursor can't pass over the labeling=20
> text "sir name"
> > (and there are several ways in which they could arrange that), then=20
> > moving using your left and right arrow keys will never read=20
> it to you.
> >
> > Hth,
> >
> > Chip
> >
> > =3D20
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Catherine Turner
> > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:48 PM
> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: Problem with Word document =3D20 Hi, =3D20 But=20
> when I go=20
> > >right or ctrl right I hear "blank" several=3D20 times, until I get =
> > >onto the next section entirely (so I never=3D20 hear=20
> "surname" except=20
> > >when cursoring down onto that line).
> > >=3D20
> > > I'll use the route pc to jaws method someone mentioned=3D20=20
> earlier -=20
> > >thanks for that.
> > >=3D20
> > > But am still curious as to what's actually happening here=20
> -=3D20 why=20
> > >JAWS doesn't seem to recognise this text as being=20
> there,=3D20 except=20
> > >when cursoring up and down.
> > >=3D20
> > > Catherine
> > >=3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > > Behalf Of Chip Orange
> > > > Sent: 28 October 2004 19:57
> > > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: Problem with Word document
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When you use the up/down arrow keys jaws reads the entire=3D20
> > > line; when=3D20
> > > > you use some combination involving the left/right arrow keys,=20
> > > > jaws=3D20 will either read the character you land on or=20
> the word,=3D20
> > > depending on=3D20
> > > > what you've used, but not the entire line; this may be why=3D20
> > > you're not=3D20
> > > > hearing the prompt of "sir name" as you move to the right.
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very difficult for someone (blind or not) to try=20
> > > > and=3D20 "fill out" a word document that's not been=20
> designed as a=3D20
> > > word "form",=3D20
> > > > so don't feel bad; it's of course much harder if you=20
> are blind. =3D
> > =3D3D20
> > > >
> > > > You might ask whoever provided you this document if they=3D20
> > > could convert=3D20
> > > > it for you into a Word "form"; if they do that, and they need=20
> > > > some=3D20 advice on making it accessible, tell them to be=20
> sure to=3D20
> > > specify a help=3D20
> > > > text for each field which is an accurate prompt for the=3D20
> > > information to=3D20
> > > > be entered into that field.
> > > >
> > > > I did convert such a poorly constructed document for the=3D20
> > > state office=3D20
> > > > of the Florida Division of Blind Services and returned it=3D20
> > > to them just=3D20
> > > > to get my point across to them that it could be done, and=3D20
> > > made to be=3D20
> > > > much more accessible to their potential blind clients and=3D20
> > > their blind=3D20
> > > > employees. I don't know if it ever convinced them to begin=3D20
> > > converting=3D20
> > > > their other forms or not as I never heard back from them,=3D20
> > > although I=3D20
> > > > did hear they had begun to use my converted form, at least=3D20
> > > internally.
> > > >
> > > > Hth,
> > > >
> > > > Chip
> > > >
> > > > =3D3D20
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20 =20
> > > > >[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Catherine Turner
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:43 PM
> > > > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: Problem with Word document =3D3D20 Hi, =3D3D20 =20
> I have a=20
> > > > >Word document which is an application form for=3D20
> > > a=3D3D20 job. =3D20
> > > > >It's not a form as in with checkboxes and fields etc=3D3D20 =
=3D20
> > > but seems to=3D20
> > > > >be just typed and with spaces where one should=3D3D20 fill in=20
> > > > >the=3D20 answers.
> > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > The problem is JAWS isn't reading it properly. For=3D20
> > > example=3D3D20 when=3D20
> > > > >I cursor down to where it says Personal Details. Then=3D3D20 =
=3D20
> > > cursoring=3D20
> > > > >down below that I hear "Surname", "Address" and=3D3D20 various =
=3D
> > things=3D20
> > > > >like that. But say I've cursored onto the=3D3D20 line that=20
> > > > >says=3D20 "Surname", and I cursor right or CTRL=20
> Cursor=3D3D20 right=20
> > > > >to=3D20
> > > get along=3D20
> > > > >the line to the right place to write my=3D3D20 surname, =
all=3D20
> > > JAWS says is=3D20
> > > > >"blank" - yet it reads "Surname"=3D3D20 when I cursor=20
> up or down =3D
> > onto=3D20
> > > > >that line.
> > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > The view is set to "print layout". When I set it=3D20
> > > "normal"=3D3D20 there=3D20
> > > > >seems to be nothing at all in the Personal Details=3D3D20 =3D20
> > > section - when=3D20
> > > > >I cursor down after "Personal Details" I just=3D3D20 find =
a=3D20
> > > lot of blank=3D20
> > > > >lines according to JAWS, then it goes on=3D3D20 to the=20
> next section.
> > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > Can anyone explain what is happening here? I suspect=20
> it's=3D3D20=20
> > > > >=3D20 something to do with the way this document has been=3D20
> > > created=3D3D20 but=3D20
> > > > >anyone say what? And is there anything I can do about=20
> it=3D3D20 =20
> > > > >so =3D
> > I=3D20
> > > > >can get to the right places to fill in my answers?
> > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > Catherine
> > > > >=3D3D20
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