Re: Preview of JAWS 12
- From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "org, jfw@freelists. " <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:59:56 +0100
yes the voice text voices are good but I use them on my ocr, I have not tried
in place of eloquence, I think the so called real speak voices are on a
particular cd it was a pack with 2 cds in it not the usual 1, I did use Daniel
on my ocr,but although he spoke good clear English he would not stop, just
wanted to read everything, I know it said 22 Hertz, is that anelectrical unit?
I told the maker of the ocr and he said it was curious and" one wonders if a
non-unicode key got in by mistake. I thought that was interesting I
suppose it can happen,I think Jaws has to use Unicode dorothy
----- Original Message -----
From: larelishumate@xxxxxxx
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
I would like to say that System Accesses Meo speech voices are better than
the real speak voices by far.
They sound more human.
Laura Shumate
In a message dated 8/3/2010 1:55:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
yes apple isx great specially since the FBI has an access to everythhing
that happens on your computer including credit card numbers passwords and so
on, go apple.
By the way would you say that jaws is still the best screen reading
software on the market or is there something better like the serotech screan
reading softwware, windoweyes, nvda or perhaps some support for linux?
Many thanks for opinions.
Zdenek
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
> Hmmmh. I'd like to see Jaws behave itself when it encounters the
> ribbon in other non-microsoft applications that incorporate the
> ribbon. Apparently, there are lots of developers out there who are
> crazy about the ribbon interface and consider themselves as being
> "hip"; "up with the times"; modern, when they put it in their apps
> using something like c-sharp and the windows forms features of visual
> studio dot net. I have yet to encounter an application that was not
> made by microsoft whose ribbon interface was accessible. Has anyone
> experienced anything to the contrary? It is appalling to me that this
> should be so three years after the interface has been around. I am
> sick and tired of having to use outdated methods of interfacing with
> software because A.T. vendors can't keep up. How many years was
> Windows out before we could migrate to it from DOS? I think it was
> like 1996 or something before something truly viable came out as a
> screen reader and that was already after windows 3.1, 3.11 and Windows
> 95 had come out. Look at Apple's macIntosh computers. A
> little-remembered factoid for you guys not old enough to have messed
> with pc's in the mid 80's is that Apple computers were among the first
> to be usable by a blind person. There was something called an Echo2
> which was a speaker that plugged into something else called an Apple
> II E computer. This worked as a speech synthesizer and then you'd run
> a program called Bex (Oh, lord but that was a horrible program and the
> speech output was just horrrid! Horrid!) but, you could write
> documents and such with it. Us kids thought we were regular geeks
> using it! When apple released the MacIntosh, however, noone cared to
> make it accessible. No blind person could use it until Apple
> themselves coded a built-in screen reader. Nobody else cared to
> tackle it even though it's one of the most user-friendly operating
> systems ever to hit the market.
>
> Perhaps the ribbon interface other developers can code into the system
> is dependent on UIA and it's hard to use because Jaws poorly supports
> it. I hope this also is something that changes in Jaws 12. Pardon my
> rant.
>
> Have a nice day and thanks for the post.
> alex M
>
>
> On 8/3/10, Delaunay Christophe <christophe.delaunay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Several things may help you get what sighted people see on your screen.
>>
>>
>>
>> (1) Turn off virtual cursor. With real cursor, you won't get anything
>> outside the screen.
>>
>> (2) Pres <insert+v>. Then, arrow down to "Document presentation". In
the
>> tree view on the left of the screen, this item is just under "General
>> options". Then press the space bar to hear "Screen layout" and <enter> to
>> save your settings. This time, you have a quite poor geometric
>> representation of the screen layout but if what you want is to "see" what
>> sighted people see, it's better than nothing.
>>
>> (3) If you have a braille display, put it in "line" mode and "8 pixles
>> per space". This way, the braille display presents the text like it is
>> written on the screen. Of course, it is far from being perfect yet but
you
>> can definitely know which part of text is above or below which other.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that we are far yet from what Papenmeier did with their famous
>> WinDOTS screen reader for windows 3.11 but who cares really? Seems that
>> nobody does because WinDOTS was a real flop.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH. Have a nice day. Chris D
>>
>>
>>
>> rom: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of
>> Cy Selfridge
>> Sent: mardi 3 août 2010 14:36
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: Preview of JAWS 12
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerald,
>>
>> Speaking of the workplace one thing I would *really* like to see is JAWS
>> actually reading what is on the screen as viewed by the Sightlings. (LOL)
>>
>> Even with JAWS 11 folks ask "where on Earth is JAWS reading fromn?".
>>
>> Cy, The Anasazi
>>
>>
>>
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
>> Of Gerald Levy
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:50 AM
>> To: JFW list
>> Subject: Preview of JAWS 12
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's a brief preview of JAWS 12 I just came across:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> by Curtis Chong
>>
>>
>>
>> In early July, I attended a three-hour session conducted by Freedom
>> Scientific during which the company provided a sneak preview of JAWS for
>> Windows Version
>> 12. Freedom Scientific has been working on this newest release of JAWS
for
>> more than a year, and it is hoped that JAWS 12 will be released before
the
>> end
>> of 2010.
>>
>>
>>
>> Long-time JAWS users will be interested to know that in JAWS 12, Freedom
>> Scientific proposes to replace the familiar JAWS Configuration Manager
with
>> something
>> called the Settings Center. In the Settings Center, you can search for
the
>> setting that you want to change and then simply make the change. It is no
>> longer
>> necessary to explore a variety of menus to track down where, for example,
>> you can change the level of punctuation that JAWS speaks or increase the
>> speaking
>> rate of JAWS. Also, in the Settings Center, your last 25 changes will be
>> displayed at the bottom of the tree view, making it easier for you to
fix a
>> setting
>> that might have been adjusted incorrectly or adjust settings that you
change
>> frequently.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another feature included in JAWS 12 is the ability to operate your
computer
>> from the Braille keyboard of any connected refreshable Braille display.
>> Using
>> the Braille keys, you can enter any character that would be entered
through
>> a standard QWERTY keyboard, and this includes all JAWS commands as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, a proficient Grade II Braille user will be able to enter text in
>> contracted Braille and have the result reverse-translated on the fly. I
do
>> not see
>> much value in this feature for me, personally, but I hesitate to
criticize
>> the investment in time and effort that has been made by Freedom
Scientific;
>> I simply do not know how many Braille users out there have been longing
to
>> operate their computer from a Braille keyboard.
>>
>>
>>
>> The final noteworthy feature in JAWS 12 is the ability to use a Virtual
>> Ribbon in Microsoft Office. Some blind computer users have expressed
>> frustration
>> with the ribbon that has been incorporated into Microsoft Office 2007 and
>> now into Office 2010. What Freedom Scientific is proposing for JAWS 12
is to
>> give the Office user the choice of whether to use the ribbon as is or to
use
>> the Virtual Ribbon provided by JAWS. This Virtual Ribbon provides a user
>> experience
>> that feels more like the traditional menus with which a lot of people are
>> familiar. Time will tell whether this feature is worth the investment. As
>> for
>> me, since I feel quite comfortable with the Office ribbon as it is, I
will
>> probably choose not to use the JAWS Virtual Ribbon that comes with JAWS
12.
>>
>>
>>
>> In all, JAWS 12 seems like a bit of an improvement over JAWS 11.
Certainly,
>> Freedom Scientific has incorporated some new features which some people
will
>> like. As for me, I would wish for features in JAWS which make it easier
for
>> blind people to compete in the workplace-something which Freedom
Scientific
>> seems to have lost sight of over the years.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
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