[ATTENTION - NON TRAITE PAR ANTIVIRUS - WARNING - NOT VIRUS SCANNED] Re: Outlook Express key stroke
- From: Hal Pearson <hspearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:02:24 -0400
Hi Yardbird, Alan and list:
With all due respect Alan, I can prove that Alt D is a Windows, or at least
Internet Explorer hotkey. To test this, I opened Internet Explorer, and hit
insert regular number 8 to bring up internet.jkm keymap file. from there I
tabbed one time to the list of all keystrokes. I then used control F find
command and did a search for Alt D, I got a message saying that this hotkey
was not found. So in conclusion, Alt D is a keystroke specific to Internet
Explorer; I use v 6.0. Just thought I'd clear this up for the list.
Hal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
Allan,
First of all, I have no plans to use a computer without Jaws. I couldn't do
that. So that part is not an issue. Second, I know that F6 will take you
through the address bar, tool bars, and so forth, but it just isn't my
favorite way to get to the address bar. I do use Control F6 to get *out* of
the address bar and tool bars and back onto the main screen, if I get
trapped up there. But that isn't what you mean.
For just getting into the address bar, I prefer either Alt D or F4. As for
the other duplicate keystrokes you mention, I'm aware of those, but I simply
don't have any problem with any of this stuff, so I wasn't sure why you were
explaining all these things or warning against using Alt D. I'm sure your
method works perfectly well for you (there, did that keep the flamers off my
back, I hope?) so I have no argument at all with whatever you prefer to do.
I just don't have any problems, myself, caused by using Alt D if I find it
convenient.
I realize that I'm a little perplexed by your comment that if a person
wasn't using a computer with Jaws, this or that wouldn't work the same. As I
say, I have no problem with using a Windows keystroke instead of a Jaws
one,if I feel like doing so. But what kind of scenario are you imagining
where someone who needs Jaws to use a computer tries to use one without it?
For instance, I'm partially sighted but even that isn't enough of an
advantage for me that I could use my computer without Jaws or another screen
reader. I suffer from a retinal degeneration that has destroyed my central
vision, so that I can see the screen as a pattern of light and shadow and
guess correctly about some things, such as when a Web page is changing or an
application is loading, but I can't even see the text or things like icons
unless I look away from the computer to catch a glimpse with my peripheral
vision, but if I turn back to look straight at the screen, it all
disappears. So there's no chance I would be using a computer without Jaws
for some reason and needing to carefully remember which keystrokes were
Windows and which were jaws. Anyway, I generally do recognize them, because
I've learned what they are. So the whole thing confused me a little.
Thanks.
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
hi Yardbird,
sorry for late respond to your mail.
yes, i also a long time user of jaws screen reader, if i'm not wrong, i
started since jaws2.0. ok, to answer to your "alt+d"
question, in most of the common windows task, Microsoft do make some
keyboard keystroke ready to use. for example, to go to system
tray, for jaws user, you may tell me it is "insert+f11" but windows do have
it's own keystroke "Winkey+b". to go to current running
application list, for jaws user, it is "insert+f10", but windows do have
it's own keystroke "WinKey+tab". this also goes the same
with the keystroke to the address bar. for jaws user, you may tell me the
keystroke is "alt+d", but windows do have it's own
keystroke "F6".
for my personal opinion, we should also know and use to those keystroke
provided by Microsoft, because, in anytime, you may happen
to use another computer where they don't install jaws in it, and you still
free to use a computer.
when you don't have jaws on a system, the following keystroke are useless:
insert+f10
insert+11
alt+d
and etc etc.
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Warmest Regards,
Allan Wong
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 23:31
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
Hi Allan,
I'm a longtime Jaws user. I often use Alt D to go to the address bar in IE.
Sometimes I use F4. And sometimes, when my only purpose in going there is to
type in a new URL, I use the Windows-style Open command, control O. In none
of these cases do I have any problem or any conflict. And I can't seem to
think of what sort of Jaws-specific keystroke Alt D is. Can you explain?
thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Wong" <allan.wkf@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
p.s. i mean, Alt+d and not ctrl+d as my previous post.
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Warmest Regards,
Allan Wong
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Wong
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 14:19
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
hi,
i see this in different point of view.
i totally not suggest ctrl+d for the following reason
ctrl+d is a jaws script keystroke where f6 is internet explorer or windows
original keystroke.
ask yourself, if you too use to jaws keystroke, how if one day you have to
use a computer without jaws in it? for example, if that
system loaded with NVDA, you are not able to use ctrl+d.
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Warmest Regards,
Allan Wong
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Jenkins
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 13:48
Subject: RE: Outlook Express key stroke
Hello Alan.
I would not suggest "F6" for the following reason. If you do it your way
depending on where you are in Internet Explorer it may
take several presses of the keystroke to get to the address bar. However if
you press "alternate +D" you are likely to get to the
address bar 100% of the time as long as you are focused anywhere in Internet
Explorer.
I hope this helps.
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Allan Wong
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:15 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
but, why not just press f6 on IE for the address bar? f6 also can be use at
windows explorer, provided you have address bar turn on
in tools/options.
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Warmest Regards,
Allan Wong
----- Original Message -----
From: G.W. Cox
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 01:06
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
Alt D puts focus in the address bar. When you move there, the web address is
highlighted so you can clear by hitting delete or just
begin typing what you want. For example you could type
www.freedomscientific.com, hit enter and you will go to that site. Alt D
then
control C is the quickest way to copy a web address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Medlar
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
Yes I meant Internet Explorer. Thanks for the correction.
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Bron
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Outlook Express key stroke
Do you mean IE instead of OE? OE is not a website. Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Medlar
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: Outlook Express key stroke
Hi,
In OE I press alt+d to get address of web site that I am currently on.
Is there a key stroke to clear web site address?
Ann
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