Re: Office 2007 Ribbon--was Open office

  • From: "Tracy" <tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 04:42:09 -0500

I'd be interested in having the comprehensive list of key strokes for Word 2007. I'd write to Tom off list, but I found it mentioned in the midst of an ongoing message and don't have an off list address for him. Why do people say, "Contact me off list," and then not give off list contact information? Anyway, thanks for any help. I'm amazed at how much I continue to learn about JAWS, as well as other programs by staying on this list.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Office 2007 Ribbon--was Open office


Tom,

When you get into a dialog on the lower ribbon with shift right arrow, how the heck do you get out of it???

Help!

At 08:52 PM 1/4/2010, you wrote:
Hi,
I was initially really ticked off about the ribbon in Office 2007 but I'm coming to terms with it and making peace with it. Most of what I do is in Word and Outlook, and a bit of Excel; I haven't fiddled about with PowerPoint or Access.

As I examine the ribbon in Word more closely, I've concluded that what seemed to be a random scrambling of widgets and functions is really quite logical. It helps if you select a particular ribbon tab, then, when you get down to the lower portion of the ribbon, pay attention to what you first land on. Then do a series of shift+right arrows and you'll notice function groups. For example, on the Home Tab, the first function group on the lower ribbon is all about clipboard operations, then you get into a group that corresponds to everything in the Font dialog that relates to character formatting. Next you'll see a group related to list formatting, and another for paragraph formatting, and so on. When you get to the group that you want, tab to the desired control and do your thing. The only thing that's stupid about it, really, is the obvious shift+right arrow key conflict that you run into when you hit the Font edit combo. At that point doing a shift+right arrow is confused with an attempt to do text selection, and you can't continue in this way until you tab past the font size control. Check it out and see if it makes sense to you. It does to me.

Oh, and while I'm on the subject, it's nice to see a ton of what are called key tips, which JAWS will tell you about if you're patient enough to get past all the other chatter. Speaking of which, I have what appears to be a very comprehensive list of Word 2007 key tips if anybody wants it. Write me off-list and I'll send you a copy.

Tom


Tom

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: Open office


Bill,

I like your approach, and am sure you'll "get it" sooner than you think. A lot of what I found was just remembering "where the widget went that I need
to click on" to do what I want. Almost like MS just arbitrarily scrambled
the menus around a bit, to mess with our minds.

Rather than that Teddy Bear, give yourself a gumdrop every time you
successfully locate the dialog you need on the ribbon. When you've gained an
extra 10 pounds, you'll be a ribbon expert in a new pants size.

And we can both sit in awe of Cy, the Anasazi, our aged seer --  oh great
one!

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: "William L. Houts" <cadexi@xxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 06:30
Subject: Re: Open office




The add on menues are a little wonky and take some getting used to for sure. It seems I may be able to put off making the transition for a little while
yet.  I'm getting a new Dell tower and it's coming loaded with Worx Plus
2008, which supposedly has a version of Word with the comfy cozy menues.
But that's just what they told me over the phone, and the rest of the order
has involved an extensive tour of Dell's Indian customer service, half of
whom doesn't know what the other half has told you.  So who knows what's
true at this point, LOL?

In the meantime, I've downloaded the Office 2007 training module from FS and
am trying to imagine a world without menues.  Can someone give me a teddy
bear?


--Bill





----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: Open office


Bill,

I know your pain -- I've been using MS-Word even longer than that, so the crossover was initially painful. And you're just a bit older than my son,
so
talk about being set in my ways...

I also considered the add-on menu tool for a while, but heard (did not
experience) that they are not easy to use, like real menus. Perhaps
someone
on this list can chime in.

Dave]
----- Original Message ----- From: "William L. Houts" <cadexi@xxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 01:57
Subject: Re: Open office




"Don't spend a lot of time complaining about things that aren't going to
change anyway" is obviously a wise bit of advice.  But throw me a bone
here,
people.  A guy gets to kvetch just a little bit before giving in, doesnt
he?

I'll definitely look up the FS training module you mention:  thanks.


--Bill








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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Open office


Long ago on this very list, I was complaining about FS changing the
options
dialog and the order of items. A subscriber to this list (who I haven't
heard from in a long time) told me to "stop whining and just deal with
it".

I applied the same philosophy to the Ribbon, and have learned to use it
quite well. If you have to learn something to do your job, you generally
do.
It's amazing how well we humans can adapt when we just put our minds to
it.
Complaining doesn't help in the learning process, from what I've
experienced.

And I believe that there is a training module on the FS web site on the
MS
ribbon and how to use it.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: "William L. Houts" <cadexi@xxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:10
Subject: Re: Open office





Well, I had heard that MS was going to use both in future versions, but
according to Mr. Halsworth I'm mistaken.  Until something is actually
released, I don't know what to believe.


--Bill


----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel McGee" <mc-g@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Open office


Hi Bill, and others! That sounds great does anyone know how you would
change it back the normal way instead of using the damn ribbons? Another thing I might add is that I went blind when I was 16 and now I am 20 so before office 2007 came out I had a visural idea of whow the normal way
of
office looked like and when I lost my sight and was tought to learn
with
Jaws. Now I just get compuse. Just out of cureiousoty if someone on this list had sight could they explain visualy what the ribbons look like? It
might help me.
Many Thanks
P..s I had an idea maybe if fs could do a kind of webpage in the help
topics of Jaws with microsoft office apps kind of like what's changed
and
what verious things are in catorgies For example if I remember right
before 2007 to change the file size you would go to the format option go down arrow once find font hit enter on that tab twice and then you find the file size then change it to whatever you want and then hit enter. Oh
not forgetting you have to highlight what you want 1st. And another
example is thing wear you find out how many pages you are on your
document
how many words etc it wa some wear in tools I think again in 2003. But
in
office 2007 I haven't got a clue!
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From: "Chris Smart" <chris_s@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:28 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Open office

Hi Bill.

So, are the ribbons still in Office 2010 Beta?
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