RE: Off topic Longhorn preview!
- From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:29:39 -0700
Hi,=20
Well according to ms longworn will work with screen readers. They are
doing a lot of work with msaa with this new version. I also believe
there will be tooltips for these icons. =20
Remember when xp came out there was all this doom and gloom as far as
screen readers go and xp has been the best screen reader friendly system
to date.=20
Hth=20
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:17 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Off topic Longhorn preview!
Well, from just the description here, it sounds like FS and the other=20
screenreader developers have their work cut out for them.
That thing about the views sounds cool if you're sighted, but really, I=20
don't think a whole lot of people will be zooming in on a view in
explorer=20
unless it contains a picture they're really interested in. Also from
what I=20
can tell, they're going to have to add some kind of text attributes or=20
elements to these icons, or the screenreaders aren't going to be able to
know what the hell to do with it.
and how in the hell are they going to be able to figure out a way to
read=20
these bar charts? they're going to have to figure out a way to make them
more screenreader friendly. One thing is clear. Someone is going to have
to=20
make some kind of move. Either Microsoft is going to have to come up
with a=20
screenreader view in Longhorn, which could work so that when any screen=20
access software is present, or they'll have to make some changes to the=20
interface so that it's more screenreader friendly all around.
If they went with the screenreader view idea, it could show a certain=20
way, but when the screenreader is unloaded or not running, it could
look a=20
different way.
But we'll all see how everything goes.
At 06:52 AM 5/10/2005, you wrote:
>I can tell you that Longhorn is far from complete, but what I saw=20
>looked
>great.
>
>
>Longhorn is the working title for the long-awaited next version of
>Windows, XP's replacement. Microsoft hasn't announced a final name or
firm=20
>ship date,
>
>but the company now says that Longhorn [JT1] won't be out before late=20
>next
>year. And even then, it will lack some previously-announced features;
most=20
>notably
>
>the improved
>
>WinFS file system.
>
>
>
>Pretty Pictures
>
>
>
>The first thing you notice after booting this Longhorn alpha is the
>beautiful icons. Many, including the main ones, like folders, drives,
and=20
>Computer (the
>
>"My" has been dropped), are richer, more detailed, and more=20
>three-dimensional.
>
>
>
>But that's just the beginning. Open the Start menu and Click "All
>Programs". Instead of the familiar cascading menu, the left panel
changes=20
>into a list
>
>of all your programs, expandable by clicking the folder icons of what=20
>used
>to be submenus. If you
>
>
>
>Want to go to a program that's not visible? The list is scrollable, but
>you can also move quickly by simply typing appropriate letters. This=20
>typing won't
>
>bring you to programs listed in submenus unless those submenus are
>expanded. Of course, you can expand a submenu by typing the first few=20
>letters of its
>
>name, then pressing "Enter" once it's highlighted.
>
>
>
>If you keep your Start Menu well-organized, with lots of submenus=20
>inside
>submenus, this setup will be more of a hassle than a convenience. But
most=20
>people
>
>will probably find it an improvement.
>
>
>
>Another nice improvement: A Run text box is located right there on the
>Start menu.
>
>
>
>Exploring Longhorn's Explorer
>
>
>
>You'll also find major improvements in Windows Explorer.
>
>
>
>Longhorn uses bar charts to display the amount of used and empty space=20
>on
>displayed drives.
>
>First, all the displayed drives have bar charts showing their used and
>empty space. Look closer, and you may notice the lack of drive letters.
>Longhorn
>
>isn't about to show you any DOS-like paths unless you ask for them.=20
>(But
>yes, they're there if you need them.)
>
>
>
>Longhorn uses bar charts to display the amount of used and empty space=20
>on
>displayed drives.
>
>Go into a drive, and then into some folders, and you'll discover that=20
>the
>Address Bar also avoids anything DOS-like. Instead, it displays the
path as a
>
>series of pull-down menus, one for each folder above the current one.=20
>You
>can pull down any of these for quick navigation around your PC.
>
>
>
>Here's something very cool: Click the View icon on the Standard Button=20
>bar
>and you'll get a slider that lets you zoom in and out for a closer or=20
>wider view
>
>of your icons (which are often views of your files rather than symbols=20
>of
>their file types). It also lets you switch between the various familiar
views.
>
>
>
>A new bar, on the bottom of the Explorer window, displays the=20
>properties
>of the file you've selected.
>
>A new bar, on the bottom of the Explorer window, displays the=20
>properties
>of the file you've selected, including metadata (information about the=20
>file, such
>
>as its author, keywords, comments, and so forth). You can edit this
>metadata from Explorer, which will hopefully encourage more people to
use=20
>it, making
>
>searches easier and all the more powerful.
>
>
>
>Searching for Possibilities
>
>
>
>Easier and
>
>more powerful searches
>
>are a large part of what Longhorn is about, even without the WinFS file
>system.
>
>
>
>In Longhorn, Explorer displays column heads for easy sorting, even when
>it's not in Details view. And these column heads do a lot more than
sort.=20
>Click,
>
>say, the date header, and you'll get a drop-down menu that clearly=20
>spells
>out the "Oldest on top" and "Newest on top" options, and also lets you
choose
>
>to only view files altered today, last week, or last July.
>
>
>
>Need a better search than that? Explorer also has a quick search bar=20
>and a
>Windows 2000-like searching panel (in other words, no disgustingly cute
dog).
>
>Or try the new, full search tool. It helps you set up filters, one=20
>after
>another, until you've refined your search to exactly what you need. You
could,
>
>for instance, look for files containing the text "warthogs are=20
>difficult
>to train," with file names ending in "bob," modified on or before April
>29, 2005,
>
>that are larger than 15,000 bytes. And you can just keep adding=20
>criteria.
>
>
>
>Of course, it will take a lot more than better searches and an improved
>user interface to get people to upgrade their operating system.
Perhaps,=20
>when Longhorn
>
>finally arrives, we'll actually get an easy, stable, fast, and secure
>version of Windows.
>
>
>
>Then again, maybe not.
>
>
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>
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>This week, Microsoft released a developers' alpha version of Longhorn=20
>at
>Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC). After playing with it
>for a few
>
>hours, I can tell you that Longhorn is far from complete, but what I=20
>saw
>looked great.
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>Longhorn is the working title for the long-awaited next version of
>Windows, XP's replacement. Microsoft hasn't announced a final name or
firm=20
>ship date,
>
>but the company now says that Longhorn won't be out before late next=20
>year.
>And even then, it will lack some previously-announced features; most
notably
>
>the improved
>
>WinFS file system.
>
>
>
>Pretty Pictures
>
>
>
>The first thing you notice after booting this Longhorn alpha is the
>beautiful icons. Many, including the main ones, like folders, drives,
and=20
>Computer (the
>
>"My" has been dropped), are richer, more detailed, and more=20
>three-dimensional.
>
>
>
>Click here to view full-size image.
>
>But that's just the beginning. Open the Start menu and Click "All
>Programs". Instead of the familiar cascading menu, the left panel
changes=20
>into a list
>
>of all your programs, expandable by clicking the folder icons of what=20
>used
>to be submenus.
>
>
>
>Click here to view full-size image.
>
>Want to go to a program that's not visible? The list is scrollable, but
>you can also move quickly by simply typing appropriate letters. This=20
>typing won't
>
>bring you to programs listed in submenus unless those submenus are
>expanded. Of course, you can expand a submenu by typing the first few=20
>letters of its
>
>name, then pressing "Enter" once it's highlighted.
>
>
>
>If you keep your Start Menu well-organized, with lots of submenus=20
>inside
>submenus, this setup will be more of a hassle than a convenience. But
most=20
>people
>
>will probably find it an improvement.
>
>
>
>Another nice improvement: A Run text box is located right there on the
>Start menu.
>
>
>
>Exploring Longhorn's Explorer
>
>
>
>You'll also find major improvements in Windows Explorer.
>
>
>
>Click here to view full-size image.Longhorn uses bar charts to display=20
>the
>amount of used and empty space on displayed drives.
>
>First, all the displayed drives have bar charts showing their used and
>empty space. Look closer, and you may notice the lack of drive letters.
>Longhorn
>
>isn't about to show you any DOS-like paths unless you ask for them.=20
>(But
>yes, they're there if you need them.)
>
>
>
>Click here to view full-size image.Longhorn uses bar charts to display=20
>the
>amount of used and empty space on displayed drives.
>
>Go into a drive, and then into some folders, and you'll discover that=20
>the
>Address Bar also avoids anything DOS-like. Instead, it displays the
path as a
>
>series of pull-down menus, one for each folder above the current one.=20
>You
>can pull down any of these for quick navigation around your PC.
>
>
>
>Here's something very cool: Click the View icon on the Standard Button=20
>bar
>and you'll get a slider that lets you zoom in and out for a closer or=20
>wider view
>
>of your icons (which are often views of your files rather than symbols=20
>of
>their file types). It also lets you switch between the various familiar
views.
>
>
>
>Click here to view full-size image.A new bar, on the bottom of the
>Explorer window, displays the properties of the file you've selected.
>
>A new bar, on the bottom of the Explorer window, displays the=20
>properties
>of the file you've selected, including metadata (information about the=20
>file, such
>
>as its author, keywords, comments, and so forth). You can edit this
>metadata from Explorer, which will hopefully encourage more people to
use=20
>it, making
>
>searches easier and all the more powerful.
>
>
>
>Searching for Possibilities
>
>
>
>Easier and
>
>more powerful searches
>
>are a large part of what Longhorn is about, even without the WinFS file
>system.
>
>
>
>In Longhorn, Explorer displays column heads for easy sorting, even when
>it's not in Details view. And these column heads do a lot more than
sort.=20
>Click,
>
>say, the date header, and you'll get a drop-down menu that clearly=20
>spells
>out the "Oldest on top" and "Newest on top" options, and also lets you
choose
>
>to only view files altered today, last week, or last July.
>
>
>
>Need a better search than that? Explorer also has a quick search bar=20
>and a
>Windows 2000-like searching panel (in other words, no disgustingly cute
dog).
>
>Or try the new, full search tool. It helps you set up filters, one=20
>after
>another, until you've refined your search to exactly what you need. You
could,
>
>for instance, look for files containing the text "warthogs are=20
>difficult
>to train," with file names ending in "bob," modified on or before April
>29, 2005,
>
>that are larger than 15,000 bytes. And you can just keep adding=20
>criteria.
>
>
>
>Of course, it will take a lot more than better searches and an improved
>user interface to get people to upgrade their operating system.
Perhaps,=20
>when Longhorn
>
>finally arrives, we'll actually get an easy, stable, fast, and secure
>version of Windows.
>
>
>
>Then again, maybe not.
>
>
>
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