Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails in Notepad
- From: "Mickey Quenzer" <mickeyqu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:13:20 -0800
Hi Dave:
I'm leaning toward using INSERT+CTRL+SHIFT+LEFT OR RIGHT ARROW.
I made this modification, and you're problem which you described went away!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails in
Notepad
> I'm not having any problems reading these numbers with the numeric data
> keystrokes in outlook express. The information describing this keystroke
> set is still on the freedom web site. WE have seen many situations where
> behavior across systems is different here on this list and with jaws
> elsewhere. I suspect that this is one of those but a good deal of testing
> needs to be done to either pin down the cause and or to eliminate it.
>
>
> One thing that springs to mind is whether or not the view in word makes a
> difference in this behavior. For instance, print or normal view. I
believe
> that word xp defaults to print view. I will also add here that if you use
> the numeric data keystrokes in a virtual buffer, you will be moving
between
> the first and last elements in that buffer. This in effect criples its
> functionality on financial web pages where there might be lots of strings
> that you need these keystrokes for unless jaws key or controll key behave
> differently when modifying lef tand right arrow keys than they do else
> where.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:40 AM
> Subject: Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails
in
> Notepad
>
>
> Hi,
> I spent hours testing with verification to clarify that
> 5.0884 reads inconsistently double reading some numbers while tripple
> reading others andthat
> 4.5 1 a version I prefer reads half the number skipping numbers after
the
> decimal point.
> I only regret I did not copy in advance F s's claims on
> Freedom SCientific' site when JAWS 5 was first released tauting the
feature
> to make reading of
> "financial data" their words.easy.
>
> Yesterday, I read 2000 numbers with visual verification. The overall
> accuracy rate of JAWS between the 2 versions was around 90-92%.
> Allthough 4.5 1 was harder to use, 5.0884 was quite inconsistent in how
it
> read in Office X P. the inconsistency involved numbers like
> 1.23 2.3 4 3.45 .56 7.58 12 .65 etc due to the repetitions of same
number
> which could be falsely assumed to be a totally "different" number
located
> *to the right* when it was the number where JAWS was reading repeatedly in
> Office X P with 5.0884.
>
> Ever sinceI raised this issue and spoke with the F S representative inJune
> and wrote this list, I have heard from many people who use numbers to
> make a living who hoped for a solution.
>
> i met face to face with a representative of F S in July who told me that
> financial data would be read using the
> read entire number feature and I saw this claim on the F S site twice and
> foolishly did not save it for occasions likethis one.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mickey Quenzer" <mickeyqu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:45 AM
> Subject: Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails
in
> Notepad
>
>
> > Hello everyone:
> > I think that in all fairness, we need to clarify what this command was
> > designed to do.
> > What it was designed for was to allow you to skip long strings of
numbers
> > like IP addresses with a single keystroke.
> >
> > For example, if you've added these new commands, you could read the line
> >
> > "My computer uses the ip address 192.168.135.3 to communicate with the
> > internet."
> >
> > as a single line, or you could use your next and previous word keys to
get
> > to the number and then use the appropriate
> > "NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit"
> > OR
> > "NumericDataSayPriorAsSingleUnit"
> > key to skip the IP address.
> >
> >
> > This can be found on the JFW 5.0 page
> >
>
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws5fea.asp#newingeneral
> > under heading level 2
> > New in General
> >
> > heading level 3 New Navigation Scripts Added
> >
> >
> >
> > New Navigation Scripts Added
> >
> > Two new commands have been added, which you can assign in Keyboard
> Manager.
> > The Scripts found in the default file are called:
> > NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit
> > And
> > NumericDataSayPriorAsSingleUnit
> > Long names, but here's the short of it:
> > If you have a long word filled with numbers and punctuation, such as an
IP
> > address or stock quote, press one of these keystrokes to move forward or
> > backward
> > past the whole unit. It can make navigating in such material much
quicker
> > and easier to understand. Remember that these keystrokes are not
assigned,
> > you
> > must assign them yourself. They are named as they are so you can easily
> find
> > them in Keyboard Manager located in the Default file.
> > We recommend that you assign these to new keystrokes such as:
> > CTRL+JAWSKey+RIGHT or LEFT ARROW respectively.
> >
> > These were in answer to a question posed by users who needed a way to
> > quickly skip past a whole series of digits and punctuation. If you're
not
> > using Braille,
> > doing so was quite long and exhausting before. There is a new TSN posted
> to
> > explain this for anyone with 4.51 that would like to add it to that
> version.
> > Does this clarify the situation?
> > ******* MQ
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: read entire number fails in Notepad
> >
> >
> > > ah, in that case, you need to do a bit of work. If you have jaws 5.0,
> you
> > > should be enable it easily as well if you have the 4.51 patch. To
> enable
> > > it, you need to go to keyboard manager , make sure you are in default,
> > press
> > > tab and press n till you hear numeric data say next and then press
> ctrl+a
> > > and assign a keystroke. jaws key+ctrl+ right arrow is recommended.
> Click
> > > ok and continue down the list to numeric data say previous, press
ctrl+a
> > and
> > > assign ctrl+jaws key+ left arrow to that one.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mickey Quenzer" <mickeyqu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: read entire number fails in Notepad
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > I am getting confused. If you just go into notpad and turn keyboard
> help
> > > on, the keystroke
> > > CTRL+INSERT+UP EROW ISN'T DEFINED.
> > > *******
> > > What do you expect it to do? Please help me, as I'm sure I'm missing
> > > something here.
> > > MQ *******
> > > ******* Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mickeyqu *******
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:12 PM
> > > Subject: read entire number fails in Notepad
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > With JAWS 5 update and 4.51, if one copies a Word X P document into
> > > > Notepad,
> > > > control insert arrow keystroke fails.
> > > > Also, using insert arrow with numbers below "1" like .59 or .51
> > > renders
> > > > the following across a line of such numbers
> > > > point point point point point
> > > > as insignificant numbers after decimals are not even read at all.
> > > > If numbers bigger than 1 are read--and that is not my
experience--
> ,
> > > that
> > > > does not make up for those that aren't read. .
> > > > Control insert arrows did not read numbers with whole number
followed
> > by
> > > > decimal and number like 1.34 in Notepad.
> > > >
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