Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails in Notepad
- From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:48:21 -0500
I'm not having any problems reading these numbers with the numeric data
keystrokes in outlook express. The information describing this keystroke
set is still on the freedom web site. WE have seen many situations where
behavior across systems is different here on this list and with jaws
elsewhere. I suspect that this is one of those but a good deal of testing
needs to be done to either pin down the cause and or to eliminate it.
One thing that springs to mind is whether or not the view in word makes a
difference in this behavior. For instance, print or normal view. I believe
that word xp defaults to print view. I will also add here that if you use
the numeric data keystrokes in a virtual buffer, you will be moving between
the first and last elements in that buffer. This in effect criples its
functionality on financial web pages where there might be lots of strings
that you need these keystrokes for unless jaws key or controll key behave
differently when modifying lef tand right arrow keys than they do else
where.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails in
Notepad
Hi,
I spent hours testing with verification to clarify that
5.0884 reads inconsistently double reading some numbers while tripple
reading others andthat
4.5 1 a version I prefer reads half the number skipping numbers after the
decimal point.
I only regret I did not copy in advance F s's claims on
Freedom SCientific' site when JAWS 5 was first released tauting the feature
to make reading of
"financial data" their words.easy.
Yesterday, I read 2000 numbers with visual verification. The overall
accuracy rate of JAWS between the 2 versions was around 90-92%.
Allthough 4.5 1 was harder to use, 5.0884 was quite inconsistent in how it
read in Office X P. the inconsistency involved numbers like
1.23 2.3 4 3.45 .56 7.58 12 .65 etc due to the repetitions of same number
which could be falsely assumed to be a totally "different" number located
*to the right* when it was the number where JAWS was reading repeatedly in
Office X P with 5.0884.
Ever sinceI raised this issue and spoke with the F S representative inJune
and wrote this list, I have heard from many people who use numbers to
make a living who hoped for a solution.
i met face to face with a representative of F S in July who told me that
financial data would be read using the
read entire number feature and I saw this claim on the F S site twice and
foolishly did not save it for occasions likethis one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Quenzer" <mickeyqu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit WAS: read entire number fails in
Notepad
> Hello everyone:
> I think that in all fairness, we need to clarify what this command was
> designed to do.
> What it was designed for was to allow you to skip long strings of numbers
> like IP addresses with a single keystroke.
>
> For example, if you've added these new commands, you could read the line
>
> "My computer uses the ip address 192.168.135.3 to communicate with the
> internet."
>
> as a single line, or you could use your next and previous word keys to get
> to the number and then use the appropriate
> "NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit"
> OR
> "NumericDataSayPriorAsSingleUnit"
> key to skip the IP address.
>
>
> This can be found on the JFW 5.0 page
>
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws5fea.asp#newingeneral
> under heading level 2
> New in General
>
> heading level 3 New Navigation Scripts Added
>
>
>
> New Navigation Scripts Added
>
> Two new commands have been added, which you can assign in Keyboard
Manager.
> The Scripts found in the default file are called:
> NumericDataSayNextAsSingleUnit
> And
> NumericDataSayPriorAsSingleUnit
> Long names, but here's the short of it:
> If you have a long word filled with numbers and punctuation, such as an IP
> address or stock quote, press one of these keystrokes to move forward or
> backward
> past the whole unit. It can make navigating in such material much quicker
> and easier to understand. Remember that these keystrokes are not assigned,
> you
> must assign them yourself. They are named as they are so you can easily
find
> them in Keyboard Manager located in the Default file.
> We recommend that you assign these to new keystrokes such as:
> CTRL+JAWSKey+RIGHT or LEFT ARROW respectively.
>
> These were in answer to a question posed by users who needed a way to
> quickly skip past a whole series of digits and punctuation. If you're not
> using Braille,
> doing so was quite long and exhausting before. There is a new TSN posted
to
> explain this for anyone with 4.51 that would like to add it to that
version.
> Does this clarify the situation?
> ******* MQ
> *******
> ******* Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mickeyqu *******
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: read entire number fails in Notepad
>
>
> > ah, in that case, you need to do a bit of work. If you have jaws 5.0,
you
> > should be enable it easily as well if you have the 4.51 patch. To
enable
> > it, you need to go to keyboard manager , make sure you are in default,
> press
> > tab and press n till you hear numeric data say next and then press
ctrl+a
> > and assign a keystroke. jaws key+ctrl+ right arrow is recommended.
Click
> > ok and continue down the list to numeric data say previous, press ctrl+a
> and
> > assign ctrl+jaws key+ left arrow to that one.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mickey Quenzer" <mickeyqu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: read entire number fails in Notepad
> >
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > I am getting confused. If you just go into notpad and turn keyboard
help
> > on, the keystroke
> > CTRL+INSERT+UP EROW ISN'T DEFINED.
> > *******
> > What do you expect it to do? Please help me, as I'm sure I'm missing
> > something here.
> > MQ *******
> > ******* Home Page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mickeyqu *******
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:12 PM
> > Subject: read entire number fails in Notepad
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > With JAWS 5 update and 4.51, if one copies a Word X P document into
> > > Notepad,
> > > control insert arrow keystroke fails.
> > > Also, using insert arrow with numbers below "1" like .59 or .51
> > renders
> > > the following across a line of such numbers
> > > point point point point point
> > > as insignificant numbers after decimals are not even read at all.
> > > If numbers bigger than 1 are read--and that is not my experience--
,
> > that
> > > does not make up for those that aren't read. .
> > > Control insert arrows did not read numbers with whole number followed
> by
> > > decimal and number like 1.34 in Notepad.
> > >
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