Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:04:38 -0700
Well Albert, someone prominent at Freedom Scientific does monitor a Jaws
list, but it's the Jaws Lite list. That's Eric Damery, unless he's recently
unsubscribed since I left that list a few months ago.
----- Original Message -----
From: <cutolo.albert@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
Perhaps, what's needed here is too have person, or persons from the
freedomscientifics tech support team become a member of this list, as well
as the blindtech list. That way, they could have direct knowledge of
consumer ffrustrations and bugs that we as users, are, and have ben
experiencing as updates are released.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
> Chris,
> You're not whining. This problem just happens to be yet another glitch
> else
> that happens to me with Jaws 8 that I simply don't happen to have
> mentioned
> in my posts about the version's shortcomings. With some frequency, I load
> a
> Web page and the status line in IE makes me quite certain that the page
> has
> opened just fine, and then Jaws will speak maybe one bit of text from the
> page which I can't move off with any navigational keystrokes. Refreshing
> the
> page has no effect, and only when I reload the page does Jaws usually
> start
> behaving normally. At first, I thought maybe I'd caused this to happen by
> pressing some navigational keystroke too quickly before the page had fully
> loaded, but now that it's happened to me a bunch of times, I realize that
> this never caused Jaws to go silent (blank buffer effect) in Jaws 7.
>
> So anyway, Chris, there's another one, another bad jaws 8 glitch among
> many
> others. I recognize that there's a core of vocal listers who keep saying
> pleasantly that they have no problems at all with their Jaws 8 on their
> computers, and of course I believe them. But I'm not such a computer
> novice
> or Jaws newbie that I can't confidently assert that a whole host of things
> go wrong with Jaws 8 when I'm using it, including this adorable little
> quirk. What I do know is it isn't my fault. Whatever Jaws 8 is having
> trouble with on my computer is stuff it should be able to handle. Instead,
> it simply doesn't work right while Jaws 7.0 is still dependable and quick
> and responsive for me.
>
> And, as I've said earlier to Allen, since FS now seems to come out with a
> new version every autumn, it's not much more than six months until this
> doesn't matter any more and we'll have yet another update. Now, I confess
> I
> haven't yet moved to Vista, and don't feel particularly interested to do
> that as long as everything I need continues working just as is, under Win
> XP
> Home. So while I appreciate this business of Jaws 8 hustling to become
> compatible with Vista, none of those things are of any help to me at the
> moment, and none, literally none of my Jaws 8 issues have been fixed.
>
> No, correction. One has, something I reported early on to FS and they
> claimed not to believe was their responsibility. Soon after I installed
> Jaws
> 8, many of these problems became apparent to me and I called FS tech
> support
> to ask if I could rectify them in some way or if they should fix something
> themselves. See, Bruce? I called. I didn't just whine on the list.
>
> The problem was that when I had a couple of applications open at once--
> let's say I was working in Word, had my browser open so I could do
> research,
> and had Outlook Express up so I could do email-- and I alt tabbed around
> the
> task bar from one to the other, Jaws would cause the transition from one
> application to another to involve a long, long (several seconds) silent
> waiting period before the next application would appear and speak. Jaws
> was
> somehow keeping the transition from happening quickly, not just being
> silent
> while it happened (I'm partially sighted and could see that I wasn't
> getting
> the screen for the app I was alt tabbing to).
>
> I called, they said they didn't know what I meant and had never heard of
> this. Well, this is the one and only issue I noticed they brag about
> having
> remedied with the last update I downloaded, that .1177 or whatever it is.
> This doesn't exactly give me confidence that the left hand of FS knows
> what
> the right hand is doing.
>
> Okay, enough. As I keep saying, I've given up on Jaws 8 and will satisfy
> myself using Jaws 7 for the time being. Too much stuff goes wrong with 8.
> But it's hard not to resent such a lemon version.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
>
>
> the one thing I didn't see addressed is this issue with blank
> virtual buffers. in other words, let's say you go to google. JAWS
> acts as if there's nothing there, and the only way to get it to read
> properly is to keep reloading the website until JAWS gets it right.
> Now unless I missed something, I didn't see one single word
> mentioning this issue, and I know lots of people reported it. but
> instead of ffixing that, we get these nice little toys like the
> say-all with Sapi 5, different voices for different fonts, and just
> coming up with fixes as if they aren't even paying any attention.
>
> I'm sorry if I sound a bit whiny in this post, but I've been watching
> FS over the last little while, and it's as if they're in their own
> little neighborhood. they put these fixes in for their own products,
> instead of fixing the issues that are more important to myself and a
> lot of others too. FS makes a fantastic screenreader, which is why I
> keep using it. But lately, it's as if they just have this I don't
> care attitude about fixing the more pressing issues. or fixing things
> that the other screenreader vendors have already had fixed for months.
> sigh.
>
>
>
>
> At 08:24 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote:
>>Not sure but the list of fixes mentioned them and they were supposedly
>>fixed.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
>>
>>
>>>what on earth is a "bad font"? And where does one encounter such things?
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricque" <ricjustice@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:46 PM
>>>Subject: Re: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
>>>
>>>
>>>The install here whent without a hitch as well,
>>>but the problem of Jaws saying "badfont" still remains.
>>>Richard Justice
>>>www.blind-computing.com
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mitchell" <dmitch44@xxxxxxx>
>>>To: "jfw list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:51 PM
>>>Subject: New 8.0 Update Bug With O E
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi, The install of the new 8.0 upgrade went without a hitch.
>>>>However after restarting, the usual shortcut keystrokes of control plus
>>>>N
>>>>for new message and Control plus f for forwarding a message result in a
>>>>script error.
>>>>It is necessary now to use the file menu to perform these tasks.
>>>>Anyone else having this trouble?
>>>>As the Father of one of my friends was fond of saying: "If it isn't one
>>>>thing, it's two." Mitch
>>>>
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