Re: Mustafa voice pitch, post number 2
- From: Yardbird <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:14:02 -0800
Oh, sorry. You just meant the Windows keyboard method Alt Tab for cycling
around your Task Bar. I thought you said Alt T. I see now.
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From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: Mustafa voice pitch, post number 2
Hi Joel,
I wasn't clear. When you hold down alt, each time that you press tab, it
announces the name of a program running in the background. When you get to
the one you are seeking, you release the alt key and there it is.
Jeff
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Of Yardbird
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:31 PM
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Subject: Re: Mustafa voice pitch, post number 2
hi Jeff,
you're right about that Insert F10 being a handy way to remind yourself
which apps you've got running, without going to all the trouble of pressing
Windows Key M or Windows Key D to go to your Desktop (in XP, at least) and
then tabbing into your Task Bar and arrowing from one application to the
next. But when you talk about getting jaws to speak the name of a Window,
you must mean Insert T, don't you? If not, try that. That's the command that
is supposed to read you the title of a document, Web page, and so forth.
As far as emphasizing menus in an application, including Jaws, so that a
person can get a sense of how the interface of an application is organized,
which is conventionally considered informative, although blind people who
know only shortcut commands are reluctant to agree), I learned to continue
this sighted way of understanding program organization by the way I learned
Jaws many versions ago on my own, which was thanks to the cassette training
tapes prepared by Eric Damery. As you followed along, doing everything step
by step as instructed, this was how it was explained, with the shortcuts and
hotkeys coming in only after you understood what you were taking a shortcut
(using "shortcut" in the ordinary way)through. I've noticed that a lot of
instructions are given on tech support lists in this shortcut/hotkey way
without any reference to context, so I I'm familiar with the kind of
instruction you're referring to. I profit by such instructions as much as
the next person but always keep in mind what's actually going on as I use a
hotkey, and if I don't happen to know, I do something to find out. This is
helpful to me, and I think it's helpful to others, also.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: Mustafa voice pitch, post number 2
Very nice response. Even after all these years of using jaws, I still don't
know some basic commands as tech support gets you there as soon as possible.
I received a new Pc at work and it is a Dell Vista, converted back to XP for
the corporate market. Some undiagnosable issue prevents alt-tab from saying
the name of the open window in the background. Hence I learned that
Insert-F10 gives a list of all working programs. You can arrow down and hit
enter on the one you want. It gives the added advantage of informing me
when I have a dozen windows open and am slowing down my pc. I close the
ones no longer in use. Every dark cloud has a silver lining
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Of Yardbird
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:21 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: Mustafa voice pitch, post number 2
Mustafa,
Now here's how to change Jaws from its default setting of not speaking
capitalization distinctly when you're in the Say All mode. this may get you
what you say you want:
Bring up the list of Jaws "managers" by pressing Insert F2. Down arrow to
Configuration manager, press Enter.
Some people wiould tell you to avoid the menu you just went through by
pressing Insert 6, I think it is, to get to Configuration Manager. I don't
prefer to teach this method, because it deprives the new user of knowing
even that there's a menu structure for many Jaws functions. I think that's
educational. After you know where things are, and which things are
associated with other things, then a further shortcut is just fine. But to
provide the shortcut first is not the best idea, in my opinion.
To make sure the changes you're about to make are applied to every program
you use, you must press Control Shift D. You'll hear Jaws announce that
you're within the default.jcf window. That's correct.you
Now, press Alt to "bring up" the menu line of this window. Arrow to the
right. When you hear the word "Settings," press enter. A long menu of items
will open. Again, some people would just say to press Alt S to open this
menu. Fine. But first take a look at all the menu headings, and you'll
understand this interface better than if you hadn't explored it.
Down arrow about five or six times, listening to the items being identified.
when you hear Say All Options, press Enter.
Now tab through a number of items. When you get to the one that says Say All
Indicate Caps, unchecked," press your space bar. This will check that check
box.
Now tab to OK and press Enter.
You're almost done. But first you have to save the file that you've just
modified by doing these things. Press Control S. Now press Alt F4 to exit
the Configuration Manager. If you forget to save before you press Alt F4,
Jaws will remind you to.
Now that screen will close, and your new settings will begin to work as you
wish.
Hope this helps.
Joel
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