Re: Modifying the dictionary
- From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:00:48 -0500
I understand but the sounds in foreign languages are not the sounds in
English. I do a lot of work that involves Hebrew words and the sound that
makes you laugh is the pronounciation of the combination "ch". In Hebrew
that combination is a gutteral sound but in English it is just the letter
combination in words such as "chain". I could probably dig around and find
something that would sound like the Hebrew but when I go back to English the
combination would sound atrocious! I understand that Word is the word
processing program and jaws is the verbal program but the two are
interdependent when it comes to identifying a word. Is this any clearer?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary
> Hi Judith,
> I simply don't even know anything about there being multiple pronunciation
> dictionaries in jaws, which appears to be what you're talking about. Am I
> right? I don't know if there are multiple pronunciation dictionaries.
> Maybe someone else does. It sounds unlikely, but I don't know.
>
> I was trying to get you to distinguish between Jaws and Word. MS Word is
> your word processing program. Its dictionaries are the databases that
Word
> refers to when you run its spell check program. This has nothing to do
with
> how Jaws pronounces things. Am I misunderstanding your question, still?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary
>
>
> > If you can use the multiple dictionaries together can you set M. to say
> > Mosieur in French and in English it is just "m."? I'm talking about
them
> > running simultaneously. Then how would jaws know what language you are
> > using at any given time? For example, if you had a statement in your
> > document, "M. Pratt went to the opera." Would jaws recognize that you
> > were
> > speaking French when the M. was followed by a surname? Then what would
> > happen with our statement, "I at a sandwich of peanut butter and jam."?
> > Is
> > this clear?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary
> >
> >
> >> Judith,
> >>
> >> There is an option to use multiple dictionaries in Word for spell
> > checking.
> >> But I thought the topic here was the *Jaws* pronouncing dictionary!
I'm
> >> confused.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:52 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary
> >>
> >>
> >> > Is there a way to combine foreign dictionaries with the MS Word
> >> > dictionary?
> >> > For example if that were the case when reading M. in the French part
of
> >> > the
> >> > dictionary you would have your Mosieur and in the English part you
> >> > could
> >> > have your peanut butter and jam. Just thinking, Judith
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:27 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> To be serious for a moment, I guess either the synth or your screen
> >> >> reader
> >> >> ought to employ a heuristic for parsing such things and making an
> >> >> educated
> >> >> contextual guess that the grammar, good or bad, doesn't suggest that
> > this
> >> >> could possibly mean inches. Just thinking.
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:21 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > It's worse if you have DecTalk combined with people with bad
> >> >> > grammar.
> >> > Any
> >> >> > sentence ending in "in", DecTalk wants to say inch.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bruce
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Bruce Toews
> >> >> > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: water_drinker@xxxxxxxx
> >> >> > Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries):
> >> >> > http://www.ogts.net
> >> >> > For information on my weekly radio show visit
> >> >> > http://radioclassics.ogts.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Jack Lowe wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> LOL! Daniel, you can run into the same headache with using St
> > period.
> >> >> >> You
> >> >> >> have to choose between Street, or saint. It's just that Street
> > Peter
> >> >> >> just
> >> >> >> doesn't sound right. Ya ya know? LOL. Jack
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:04 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> I agree, Judith. I've learned the same lesson experimenting
with
> >> >> >>> less
> >> >> >>> exotic examples, such as modifying the dictionary to have Jaws
say
> >> >> >>> "drive"
> >> >> >>> when it sees the "Dr." abbreviation in an address. Of
course,it's
> >> > only
> >> >> >>> I
> >> >> >>> who knows when the context is a street address, with the result
> > that
> >> > the
> >> >> >>> dictionary began also referring to everyone with a doctoral
degree
> > in
> >> >> >>> any
> >> >> >>> field as "Drive." So, for a brief, silly period, everyone from
my
> >> >> >>> primary
> >> >> >>> care physician to academics and scientists quoted in New York
> >> >> >>> Times
> >> >> >>> articles
> >> >> >>> acquired the Christian name Drive. that was a bit weird. As
the
> >> >> >>> only
> >> >> >>> alternative would be to allow the famous street lined with
> >> >> >>> extravagant
> >> >> >>> boutiques in downtown Beverly Hills to be renamed Rodeo Doctor--
> >> > though
> >> >> >>> I
> >> >> >>> suppose, among bull riders and bronc busters there really exist
> > such
> >> >> >>> a
> >> >> >>> professional-- I gave it up.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> So now I tolerate good old dee are period and learn to like it.
> > It's
> >> >> >>> not
> >> >> >>> all that painful.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:49 PM
> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: Modifying the dictionary
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Of course you are right. I was just pointing out that with
that
> >> >> >>>> adaptation
> >> >> >>>> to the dictionary the sentence, "I was eating a sandwich of
> >> >> >>>> peatut
> >> >> >>>> butter
> >> >> >>>> and jam." would sound very strange. I do a lot of writing with
> >> > foreign
> >> >> >>>> words and names but adapting the dictionary to everything I
need
> >> >> >>>> jaws
> >> >> >>>> to
> >> >> >>>> say
> >> >> >>>> when coming acrosss certain letters or letter combinations
would
> > be
> >> >> >>>> intollerable. Judith
> >> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >>>> From: "KStarrett" <kstarrett5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:37 PM
> >> >> >>>> Subject: RE: Modifying the dictionary
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Hi Judith,
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> You said,
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> When writing m.123 it already says m.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Which is true. But if you redefine M. to say monsieur, then
you
> >> >> >>>>> type
> >> >> >>>>> M.123
> >> >> >>>>> jaws will say monsieur 123.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> See the problem?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> And modifying your example, what would happen in a sentence
such
> >> >> >>>>> as:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> At the M.L.A. convention M. de Gaul ate a sandwich of
> > peanutbutter
> >> > and
> >> >> >>>> jam.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Kimberly Judith
> >> >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >>>>>> From: <kstarrett5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:46 PM
> >> >> >>>>>> Subject: Modifying the dictionary
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
> >> >> >>>>>>> I am trying to modify the jaws default dictionary to do the
> >> >> >>>>>>> following:
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> When jaws encounters the letter M followed by a period then
a
> >> >> >>>>>> space I want
> >> >> >>>>>> it to say "monsieur" as in monsieur de Gaul.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> When jaws encounters the letter M followed by a period and
> >> >> >>>>>> another letter
> >> >> >>>>>> (like M.L.A.) I want it to say M.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Is this possible?
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>>> Kimberly Starrett
> >> >> >>>>>>> "Sharing an office is like being in a Beckett play...after
> >> >> >>>>>> everything has
> >> >> >>>>>> been said you still must go on talking."
> >> >> >>>>>>> Edmund White, in "The Farewell Symphony".
> >> >> >>>>>>>
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