RE: Moderator warnings
- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <rebecca.pickrell@xxxxxxx>
- To: "'jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:24:37 -0800
Exactly.
I do feel that graphical varifications are on topic since they affect how
JFW works. Yahoo's solution wouldn't be bad except that they do not call you
back. Grant, you must have pictures of the Yahoo president checking into a
hotel with a goat since you're the only one who I know of that's gotten a
response.
I feel though that if these varifications are going to be comon, and it
looks like they are, that either JFW or the industry needs to have a viable
solution for us to work around them. All these are valuable discussions and
since FS reads this list, maybe they will learn something too. Hey, we can
all have dreams right?
Bruce, I hope you feel better.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carmichael Kimberly J - CS [mailto:Kimberly.J.Carmichael@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:20 AM
To: 'jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: Moderator warnings
Thank goodness somebody else feels like this!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Peterson, Jody L [mailto:jody.peterson@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:17 AM
To: 'jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Moderator warnings
Maybe you should warn individuals about their posts instead of clogging the
list with your warnings. This is more annoying than the off-topic posts
themselves. At least with them, we might learn something.
Just my $.02. Please don't kick me off the list as I do follow the rules.
Jody Peterson
EDS - CRM Applications Delivery
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Bruce Toews
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:36 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Yahoo and the Graphic
It's the misspelling of someone who's been sick as a dog for the last four
days but is still trying to do his job. I will start putting people on
moderator status if they continue to choose to ignore the rule on subject
lines and/or the one on off-topic posts. We already had one grammar checker
on this list, we don't need a spell checker too.
Bruce
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, trouble wrote:
> What's puppting? not in dictionary.
>
> At 10:10 PM 1/28/04 -0600, you wrote:
> >Look folks, I will say this one more time.
> >
> >First, empty subject lines are not appropriate for the list. Second,
> >the discussion of the graphic is not appropriate. I will start
> >puppting people of moderator status if this thread is not immediately
> >stopped.
> >
> >Bruce
> >
> >--
> >Bruce Toews
> >E-Mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx
> >Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries):
> >http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere go to
> >http://www.treasureislandoldies.com
> >
> >On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Grant Hardy wrote:
> >
> > > I totally don't want to criticize Pickrell and others for the
> > > valuable advice we get here. But Yahoo!'s objective for their word
> > > in the picture is so that a machine cannot automatically register
> > > for a Yahoo! account. 0spam's method, though easier for us, is not
> > > secure and a machine could still register for a Yahoo! account if
> > > they used this method. Here is the response I got back:
> > >
> > > Hello Grant,
> > >
> > > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Account Services.
> > >
> > > At this time Yahoo! does not have a means of bypassing the word
> > > verification image for visually impaired users, aside from
> > > contacting Customer Care. We are exploring other alternatives,
> > > but unfortunately, some of those alternatives recreate the very
> > > problem we are trying to solve. We are aware of your concern and
> > > we want you to know that we are currently working on this problem.
> > >
> > > During account registration, visually impaired users are directed
> > > to the following "feedback" form:
> > >
> > > http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/edit/cgi_access
> > >
> > > The URL for this form is provided in hidden text on the
> > > registration form that is machine-readable but not visible on the
> > > page. After the user has completed the form, a Yahoo!
> > > representative will call the user and complete the registration
> > > process over the phone. The user will also receive a response
> > > containing a toll free number specifically dedicated to
> > > registration for visually impaired users. We are working on
> > > streamlining this process for faster turn around time and greater
> > > convenience for the user.
> > >
> > > When joining or creating a Yahoo! Group, below the word
> > > verification image there is a link that says "If you can not see
> > > this image click here." Clicking on this link will enable a popup
> > > window with an explanation of the word verification image as well
> > > as white-on-white text that points visually impaired users to the
> > > following feedback form:
> > >
> > > http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/groups/cgi_vi
> > >
> > > After submitting the form, the user will be contacted by a Yahoo!
> > > Groups Customer Care representative via email for the information
> > > necessary to complete the process.
> > >
> > > You are free to distribute the above URLs to anyone who can
> > > benefit from them, and we encourage you to do so. However, we do
> > > want to mention that we hid the text on the pages because we found
> > > a number of users were taking advantage of a service meant only
> > > for our visually impaired users. That caused a delay in helping
> > > the very users the feedback forms were intended for.
> > >
> > > We hope you find the above solution workable for you and other
> > > visually impaired users, and we hope they do register and take
> > > advantage of all the features Yahoo! has to offer.
> > >
> > > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Customer Care
> > >
> > > For assistance with all Yahoo! services, please visit:
> > >
> > > http://help.yahoo.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of
> > > Andrew Edgcumbe
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:01 PM
> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re:
> > >
> > > Hi Rebecca and list members
> > >
> > > I did complain once about this issue.
> > >
> > > Yahoo said that they did have some complaints about the picture.
> > >
> > >
> > > If anybody wants the email address to complain to yahoo please
> > > email me off list.
> > >
> > > I feel if everybody on this list complains maybe they will listen.
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <rebecca.pickrell@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: "Blind College Students (E-mail)"
> > > <BlindVIcollegeStudents@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Blindtech (E-mail)"
> > > <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: "Jfwlite (E-mail)" <JFWlite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "JAWS and
> > > employment (E-mail)" <jfw-employment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:14 PM
> > > Subject: FW:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi folks. Here is the response I got from 0 spam along with my
> > > > question.
> > > >
> > > > These guys seem like good people.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jeff Anderson [mailto:support@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:12 AM
> > > > To: Pickrell, Rebecca M.
> > > > Subject: Re:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The link is white as well as the background, so it can not be
> > > > seen by regular people. I could try to contact Yahoo and
> > > > Hotmail about
> > > implementing
> > > > this.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Anderson
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <rebecca.pickrell@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <support@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:55 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi. I want to compliment 0 spam on its varification method.
> > > > >
> > > > > The link that blind people can click on which then allows the
> > > varification
> > > > > code to be emailed to the sender is wonderful. I wish Yahoo
> > > > > and
> > > Microsoft
> > > > > along with a number of others would employ your method. As it
> > > > > stands
> > > now,
> > > > > Yahoo's method is of no help since they do not respond to
> > > > > phone calls
> > > and
> > > > > email and Microsoft's varification (an audio of the word that
> > > > > needs to
> > > be
> > > > > entered) is so garbled as to be nearly useless.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't mind sharing with me, how do you make the link so
> > > > > that
> > only
> > > > > screen-readers can use it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If this information is proprietory, would you mind sharing
> > > > > your idea
> > > with
> > > > > engineers at Yahoo and Microsoft?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebecca Pickrell
> > > > > phone: 703-633-8300 x4582
> > > > > email: rebecca.pickrell@xxxxxxx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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