Re: Mmessage being before the message itself in the message body - was - Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
- From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:08:46 -0000
For the last three years or so that I can recall, I've seen this 'message'
thing appear in messages on another list in freelists. Several on that other
list are or appear to be using Microsoft Outlook as their email client. It
doesn't happen on all messages submitted to freelists. I've given either/or as
the main possibility.
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: Mmessage being before the message itself in the message body -
was - Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
You know, I just don't get where you're coming from. Do I have both on my
machine? Sure, I do. But I'm using OE, by choice. Is that what you're
saying? It was meant to be a cute way to suggest that I oughta "step up" to
Outlook? Something like that? And I missed the whole thing?
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Mmessage being before the message itself in the message body -
was - Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
My main point here, and forgive me for making it, is that you can have both
Microsoft Outlook and Microsoft Outlook Express - two different but related
programs - on the same machine. Microsoft Outlook is a more full-featured
'version' or program than Microsoft Outlook Express. I have both programs on
the same machine; both can interact with emails (and newsgroups, if desired);
and Microsoft Outlook likes to think it's in charge: and I didn't originate
this thread. I submit that Microsoft Outlook's presence/interaction
contributes to the 'message' word that you have been seeing at the front of
some messages. End of explanation attempt.
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: Mmessage being before the message itself in the message body -
was - Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
I use Microsoft Outlook express. You understand that both it and Outlook
are Microsoft products, don't you? Anyway, I don't get what you're trying to
say. Let's just let it go, please.
From: Flor Lynch
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Mmessage being before the message itself in the message body - was
- Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Hi Yardbird,
Do you also have Microsoft Outlook on your computer? If you don't, you may
not get the message word in front of your own messages. Microsoft Outlook is
begging or waiting for the chance to beg to be one's email client!
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
This 'message' business has been going on with earlier versions of JAWS
in use as well, maybe even as far back as JAWS5, possibly before. It could be
a freelists html-to-text conversion thing, as well. For now, I don't think it
a JAWS/HTML issue; though possibly the presence [and non-convergence with OE
when it is used] of Outlook and its html has a role in it. Heck, it's almost
the same as Outlook Express putting "Original Message" before the message
you're replying to. Anyway, everybody sure gets the 'message'!
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harmon
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
I use HTML for my messages in OE. I believe and can't be certain
though
that it has something to do with JAWS and the way its now handleing
HTML
code. At the top of HTML pages you will see JAWS read the title that
is
coded into the HTML page. I suspect that message is the title of OE's
HTML
coded messages. But it's really just a guess at this point.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
>From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Rick,
First of all, you said it! Narrator is no fun to use, at least for me.
It's really horrible to mess with. I don't understand half of what it
says,
and I don't know the basic commands for navigating or doing stuff. So
let's
go, FS, and fix this bug!
Also, Rick, may as well ask: That word "message" is at the top of
*your*
every post. So, then, can you account for its presence? Do you have
something in your email program that heads every one of your outgoing
messages with the word "Message," for some reason?
Thanks.
mee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon"
<rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
MessageAlex,
I hope FS is able to solve this problem. It's not always convenient to
use
narrator instead of JAWS.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Stone
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Rick, Don't worry about it, I'd have been saying exactly the same
things
as you were if it wasn't me having the problem.
Cheers.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
Of Rick Harmon
Sent: 26 November 2006 00:05
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
lol, its ok, I swore up and down that it wasn't a JAWS issue. Just
think
how I feel now.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Betsey Doane
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Wow--I wrote my post before I saw this; just back from Thanksgiving
holiday and going through my first pass of over 200 messages :-) Betsey
Doane
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Rick Harmon
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:58 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Well my apologies then, it must be something to do with the way
JAWS is
handleing the keyboard now. Very puzzleing but if narater worked then
it's
definately a JAWS issue.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
>From: Alex Stone
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Rick, You are indeed quite correct, doing it with narrator worked
a
treat, and I now have the shortcut key I wanted all along ctrl+shift+j.
I'll send freedom Scientific a message about it.
Cheers.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Rick Harmon
Sent: 25 November 2006 17:41
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Alex,
Try unloading JAWS 8 with Insert + F4 and using narrator with
Windows
key + U and see if you can change the properties successfully. If you
can
then JAWS has something to do with it. IF not then its something else.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Stone
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
John, Yes, many many times!
Cheers.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of John Brewer
Sent: 24 November 2006 23:55
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Alex have you tried another ShortCut Key?
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Stone
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
Rick, Have you been following this thread. I'm sick and
tired of
the number of times I've had to explain that I've checked all the
desktop
icons to make sure nothing has the keystroke assigned to it. I've also
used
shortcut detective from the jfwlite website to determine that there is
no
shortcut on my system that has the ctrl+shift+j keystroke assigned to
it.
Cheers.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
>From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Rick Harmon
Sent: 24 November 2006 22:54
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j hotkey
I disagree, JAWS has absolutely nothing to do with
properties on
a desktop icon. That is either a MS issue or someone hasn't cleared the
contro+Alt+j shortcut from another icon on the desktop.
We can't blame every single issue to JAWS.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
>From: Alex Stone
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j
hotkey
Rich, I'm coming to the conclusion as others already have
that
it must be a jaws problem.
Cheers.
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Richard Sherman
Sent: 24 November 2006 22:38
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j
hotkey
Hi Alex,
Gave it a shot and came up short. Darn. Will give it more
thought.
Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Stone
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: strange problem with jaws 8 and ctrl+alt+j
hotkey
Richard, Unfortunately I find that that doesn't work
either.
Cheers.
Alex
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