Re: Kill JAWS Simplified

From: "Roger Levine" <rlstation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:27:24 -0700

Hi,

When in Alt Enter mode for the shortcut on the desktop change K to a space.The System32 name was for the taskkill.exe path.Roger ----- Original Message -----From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Kill JAWS Simplified

Don,

Well, that worked like a charm. Earlier advice has been to find asimilarly

named file under an entirely different folder. c:\windows\system 32, if I
recall correctly. Which didn't work.

Now one more problem. I want to use control alt K for the hotkey. But I
assigned it to an earlier shortcut icon that I created using one of those
wrong files, and even though I've deleted that shortcut, I see the hotkey
won't allow itself to be assigned to this new shortcut. It needs to be
released. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks.

----- Original Message -----From: "Don Moore" <donmoore@xxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kill JAWS Simplified


Hi List,

   The path for the jfwKill.exe file in XP Home is:

c:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Runtime JAWS\9.0\jfwkill.exe

   If you are using either JAWS 7.10 or JAWS 8.0, just put those version
numbers in the path instead of 9.0

   Hope this helps,

   Don

----- Original Message -----From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kill JAWS Simplified

Where is this runtime folder you're referring to? And as for the topic in
general, I think I'm just going to call or email FS tech support and ask
someone about this. When I have time. I'll report anything useful that I
learn. it's become frustrating that we're all guessing what these things
do

and all that. Seems finally to be a lot of unnecessary aimlessspeculation

if someone who knew could just explain without much difficulty. Not to be
dismissive or unappreciative of anyone who tried to contribute to this
thread, but sometimes it just gets like an aimless guessing game, going
nowhere. As I say, if I can find out anything solid, I'll share.

----- Original Message -----From: "Roger Levine" <rlstation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kill JAWS Simplified

Hi Dan,
jfwkill.exe can be found in the runtime jaws folder for all versions of
jaws.  I executed the program and it seemed to work, but I am not sure it
does the same thing as taskkill.exe with XP Pro.  It appears that with XP

Home jfwkill.exe will have to be the choice. Maybe jfwkill.exe is thesame

as the Jaws key + Windows Key + F4 combo.
Roger

----- Original Message -----From: "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@xxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kill JAWS Simplified

Hi all,

I hate to butt in here since i haven't followed this from the beginning
but maybe this could help.

In older versions of Jaws there was a couple of programs that could be
used to kill Jaws.  They were jstop.exe and jfwkill.exe.  I used them so
much that I ended up keeping my own copies when I saw that jfwkill.exe
was
dropped from the distribution.  If you still have version 6 or earlier
CDs
you might find it on them.

If you can get them you could just setup a shortcut to those executables
and they do a very clean job of killing Jaws.

I hope this helps.

----- Original Message -----From: "Dave 'SqueezeBox' Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kill JAWS Simplified

Hmmm. Don't know Roger, but it works flawlessly on my XP Pro machine,
using
the taskkill.exe file in the shortcut. Sorry it's seemingly obtuse.

Good luck.

Dave

----- Original Message -----From: "Roger Levine" <rlstation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kill JAWS Simplified

Hi once again,
I have already tried the simplified method on my XP Home machine and
found
that it does not work. Their must be some nuances about this which we
obviously don't know.  My wife says I am a Pit Bull about these kind of
problems. We have to remain good natured about this technical pursuit.

Roger ----- Original Message -----From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kill JAWS Simplified

Dave,

thanks for the advice. Not to upset you, because you went to so much
trouble
below, but I think if you'd read my earlier messages, you'd have seen
that
I

did all these other steps just fine. I knew how to create a shortcuton

the
desktop and set a hotkey for it and all of that. the whole problem was
just

figuring out which file to use. And doing it directly like this iswhat

would have thought of first if someone hadn't posted the suggestionfor

a
batch file or two. I just thought they must have a reason I wasn't
aware
of
for doing that, so I just went with it. but this is how I'd launch
anything
from a desktop shortcut, actually.

Now, I'm not sure that the batch file actually need have gotten in the
way,

but at least trying it this way will simplify the process and takethat

out
of the mix.

I'll just go back into that folder and do it this way. Who knows? It
might
just work.
From: "Dave 'SqueezeBox' Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: Kill JAWS Simplified

Forget the batch file. Do this:

1. Use Windows Explorer to browse to the executable file in the
system32
folder under windows.
2. Highlight either taskkill.exe or tskkill.exe or whatever is the
spelling
for your version of windows.
3. Press the Application key (context menu).
4. Arrow down to "send to" and right arrow.
5. arrow down to "Desktop (create shortcut)" and press enter.
6. Close Explorer and go  to the desktop.
7. Find the shortcut you just created.
8. Highlight that icon and press F2.
9. Give it a meaningful name, if desired and press Enter.
10. Again highlight the same icon and press Alt+Enter.
11. You'll be on the target (command) line. Press the End key to go to
the
end of the command line.
12. press the spacebar to insert a blank space at the end and then
type:
/f
/im jfw.exe
13. Tab twice and set up a shortcut key if desired.
14. Press Enter to save the work.

That's it.

Use it from the desktop or with the shortcut key. No batch fileneeded.


Dave

----- Original Message -----From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: killjaws.bat, not sure if I did it right

That window now I remember we used to call the dos prompt and that's
how
we work in it.  The stuff you were seeing can be cleared by typing
"cls"
I am sure you remember that command.  Then the only thing you have
below
the windows bar at the top is the dos prompt but it picks up the path
from your home folder "c:\documents and settings\yardbird".
The reason I suggested this approach was that when you execute your
batch file any errors will remain in the window rather than just
opening

executing closing as when you run your batch from the short cutbecause

when the window closes you have know idea what happened.
I hope this clears it up a bit.

Tom Bissett
BMO Financial Group
Technology and Operations
Integrated Client Solutions
Tel: (416) 549-6514
E-Mail tom.bissett@xxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:01 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: killjaws.bat, not sure if I did it right

You're right. Exit worked. It just sounds, using jaws, as if what's in

that box is part of a folder tree view, and it was hard to imaginethat

I could just type something, any more than I'd type something directly
onto the screen when I'm in Windows Explorer. Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: killjaws.bat, not sure if I did it right

Type "exit" and the command prompt will close propperly

Tom Bissett
BMO Financial Group
Technology and Operations
Integrated Client Solutions
Tel: (416) 549-6514
E-Mail tom.bissett@xxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:59 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: killjaws.bat, not sure if I did it right

And how do you get out of that command box or whatever it is? It's not
as if I can't alt f 4 out of it to do other things, but I'd like to
just
exit it properly. Do I have to be careful not to type or delete
anything
in it?
What's its purpose? Why was I recommended to launch it?

----- Original Message -----
From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: killjaws.bat, not sure if I did it right

To open the command prompt in the run dialog type cmd and press enter.

I believe it is also in all programs, accessories

Robert

To find me you can do the following.

Skype id:  rawest24

Aim id:  rawest24

EMail:  rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:55 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: killjaws.bat, not sure if I did it right

Roger,

By "replace" you mean correct the spelling? Thanks, but I just did and
that
didn't help, either. In fact, that window no longer flashes when I
click
on
the icon. Here is the corrected line from the batch file, which as I
said, I
copied directly from what was provided early in the thread by someone.
I
deleted the "a" from the filename:
:

tskkill /F /IM jfw.exe

Maybe one of the other suggestions that were provided in this thread
uses a
path to the file? Because I believe one version of this that I saw
earlier
includes a path under c:\ involving a few numeraals. So please look
again at

the above line and consider that it might give the batch fileincorrect

directions?

Thanks. I wish I could remember the more complex filename I saw for
this
file earlier, but I can't.

long a different path
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Levine" <rlstation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: killjaws.bat, not sure if I did it right

Hi,

If you are using XP home, then replace "taskkill" with "tskill".After

you
have tryed this, let us know.
Good Luck,
Roger

----- Original Message -----From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: killjaws.bat, not sure if I did it right

Following directions that were provided here, I created a file named
killjaws.bat in a
chosen folder using these lines:

echo off
taskkill /F /IM jfw.exe

I went to the file and created a Desktop shortcut icon for it, using
the Send To function.

Then I went to the new icon, went into its properties, and created a
hotkey

for it so I could invoke the batch file next time Jaws lost speech.So

far,
so good.

But when I pressed my hotkey combo, nothing happened. I checked tosee

if

my
hotkey had held, and it had. I went to the desktop, focused on the

icon,

and
pressed Enter to activate it. Again, nothing happened.

I did a restart in order to see if that might have been needed. It

made no

difference. The only thing I can report helpfully is visual evidence

I'm

unable to make sense of. And that is, when I activate this shortcut,a
small
dark rectangle I assume to be some sort of notification flashes onto

the

screen and disappears, all within a fraction of a second. Even if I

could

read, and therefore wouldn't need Jaws in the first place, I probably
couldn't see what this thing says because it flashes by so fast. So

that

doesn't help me describe what's going on.
Does anyone have an idea what it is that's not working right? Couldit

be

that you can't just exit Jaws this way in a normal situation, instead

of

unloading it with Insert F4? You have to be in a situation where Jaws
loses
speech?

Thanks.

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