Re: Jaws saying unchecked
- From: "Debbie Kessler" <jessesgirl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:47:33 -0700
This continued periodic problem with JAWS reading uncheck or checked opposite
of the actual condition may have more to do with the design of the web page
than JAWS. So, when I fill out a form field, I check to see if what I have done
reads correctly with insert plus tab keys. If this does not give me enough
information, I rout the JAWS cursor to the area to poke around.
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Leavens
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws saying unchecked
I give!
You win!
And it is true there is a verbosity setting which adjusts the way Jaws reads
and inserts pauses in the verbosity menu which is referred to as verbosity
mode.
JAWS-uparrow though remains the method to say line in case the original
questioner still cares.
and while on the original topic, the problem of Jaws not reading check boxes
consistently and correctly has been around for several versions. There may
be a pattern but I have not detected it. Here it happens in msconfig which
is a Windows application and in the control panel and it happens on some but
not all Web sites. Usually the say line command invoked by Jaws-uparrow will
read the correct state of the checkbox or arrowing off and back on to the
particular item will announce the correct state of it. Occasionally though
the state is always announced as unchecked however one tries to read it
though in my opinion it is improved in Jaws 7 over previous versions. Having
never counted though I cannot be certain.
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
DLeavens@xxxxxxx
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws saying unchecked
> Hi Dale,
>
> Aside from wondering why you're playing mod, which may be a Canadian
> compulsion,, what's this with "say all" having something to do with
> setting
> verbosity? The phrase pertains only to insert down arrow, the command
> that
> you possibly think of as meaning "read to end of document," or something
> like that. I think you may be confusing this with something to do with
> typing echo or somethinglike that.
>
> It's nice to know you're watching the list traffic so closely. Are you
> getting a commission? Or maybe a deputy Mountie badge or a pony? Working
> all night and sleeping all day? Anyway, do give my regards to Roy, as
> always.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Jaws saying unchecked
>
>
> I believe that Say All is a mode toggled with JAWS-S which cycles through
> say none, say highlighted and say all.
>
> JAWS-B, in my installation gives a list of the controls in their tab order
> in a dialog box.
>
> JAWS-uparrow is the say line command. You may have been thinking of the
> JAWS-downarrow which reads from the current location to the bottom of the
> window or the bottom of the document depending on which cursor is active.
> In
> any case, none of the stated keystrokes given are correct.
>
> Now it is very nice for people to offer help and assistance, many times I
> have asked for and received assistance, occasionally someone complains
> about
> the sort of questions asked but the real traffic jam here is distinctly
> incorrect or inaccurate information. I don't remember which road it is
> said
> to be paved with good intentions, it appears though, to be a well traveled
> one.
>
> These remarks are not directed to any particular individual, not a flame
> or
> anything like that, it just happens that I have responded to this
> particular
> message. I would however ask that people withhold their kindness in favour
> of actual help and assistance.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> DLeavens@xxxxxxx
> Skype DaleLeavens
> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Jaws saying unchecked
>
>
>>I missed the earlier messages in this thread, so please forgive if my
>> question is too confused or confusing. But I have a comment, then a
>> question:
>>
>> First of all, on those relatively rare occasions when I can't seem to
>> check
>> a check box in an online form (I assume that's what's being discussed?),
>> Usually, it works when I simple turn off Forms Mode (Insert num pad
>> plus),
>> then just use my up and down arrow keys to find that box and check it.
>> Then
>> I go into Forms Mode again when I need to input text again into an edit
>> field in the form
>>
>> But I have to guess maybe this question isn't about online forms? If so,
>> sorry.
>>
>> My questions are to Jerry. First of all, how come you refer to Insert B
>> as
>> Say All? I know it as the command to read everything only within a
>> dialogue, not as the Say All for general use, which of course is Insert
>> up
>> arrow. And insert tab is a command I don't know at all. Is it a sort of
>> context-specific command for reading one line only within a dialogue?
>>
>> Again, sorry if I'm misunderstanding everything because I didn't see the
>> beginning of the thread.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Jaws saying unchecked
>>
>>
>> Jaws key B as in bravo is say all, but to read the line, nwhich is
>> probably what you want to do, is Jaws key tab. .
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha" <marcatony@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:04 AM
>> Subject: Jaws saying unchecked
>>
>>
>> Hi
>> It seems like Jaws says unchecked when things are actually checked.
>> I
>> need to down or up arrow then back to the check to see if it is really
>> checked. How can I check without down or up arrowing? What is "Say
>> all"
>> Where is it? Thanks
>>
>> Marsha Anderson
>>
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