Hi Don, concerning the start up problem, I've seen it suggested that this occurs because an add-on of some type doesn't close down correctly when internet explorer closes. You can check whether it might be related to add-ons by trying internet explorer without add-ons to check whether there's still a problem. You can find internet explorer without add-ons in all programs, accessories, system tools, internet explorer (no add-ons). If internet explorer without add-ons doesn't have the problem, then in the normal version of internet explorer you could check to see what add-on toobars and extensions are being used: open manage add-ons from the tools menu, and see what's in the list view. If there's something you're not using, you could try disabling it from its context menu. David. original message: Hi David, Thanks for the download link; I'll check that out right away. Yes, I am using the final release version of IE 8. Don -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx