Joe, I don't think your reply was harsh at all. I wasn't getting as specific with all of the various versions and such. I was just thinking about the fact that the two versions of JAWS for Windows on a PC don't do anything functionally different, but the necessity of having the two versions must lay in their development on Freedom Scientific's end. Understanding more about how that works in terms of the difference in cost to the consumer would be interesting. I don't know if anyone from the company monitors and want to comment. I don't in any way mean for this to become a hot button issue or complaint about Freedom Scientific. I would hope that it is an opportunity for those who want to understand it better to get the information they need. Sue B. Joseph Lee wrote: -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxHi Sue, The best way to answer this is yet another comparison. Technical reasons does count, as you have stated. Also, as I have said few weks ago, market differentiation also counts. A good comparison would be Windows itself and Office versions. Technically, there are three versions of JAWS now, one built-in to a device and two versions as license versions - JAWS Pocket for PAC Mate, JAWS Standard and JAWS Pro. I cannot really say about JAWS Pocket, as this relates to matters outside of this list (on PAC Mate list, yes, it would count). Also, Windows 9x - 95, 98, ME - are no longer supported, as well as NT 4.0 Workstation/Server variants. At the time of differentiation, it would have mattered. However, now all JAWS supports is all based on NT family, so the question on differences between 9x and NT is largely out of the question. As for Tandem, Remote Desktop support and such, it is actually built into JAWS program package. The purchase of the "remote" license means that you are unlocking the features associated with the thing you are purchasing. In the real world, the same strategy is implemented in Windows Vista/7 (especially in Windows 7, where all features of the OS is installed on the machine; the product key you entered determines which features would be activated). Also, for clarification, Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) is only available in Pro versions of Windows (Home versions only have Remote assistance). Here's my advice (at least from a college student's perspective): Economics and market demands does matter, even in this situation as differentiating JAWS versions. But, in functionality, it is just an integral executable named jfw.exe... So let us sit back and think for a moment about this: is there even a functional difference between standard and pro, apart from OS authorization and unlocking features of Pro versions (Tandem, Remote Desktop and so forth)? Since this topic is sensitive, I will not say anything on this matter for a while. Cheers, Joseph P.S. Sorry for harshness. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue B Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:27 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Jaws Standard/professional Peter, I think you bring up a good issue, but it unfortunately not strictly correct as it relates to the two versions of JAWS. You do not get different or additional features of JAWS in the Pro version over the Standard. The offering to two versions of JAWS initially began, or so it seemed, because additional programming effort and expertise on the part of Freedom Scientific had to go into getting JAWS to work with first Windows NT and Windows 2000 that was not required in Windows 95 or Windows 98. Windows NT and Windows 2000, just like the business and pro versions of XP and Vista have security features that lend themselves to business environments that the Home versions don't have. Whether or not there is indeed something different that has to be done to JAWS to keep it updated to work in a more secure version of Windows can only be answered by Freedom Scientific. As a consumer one has to hope that the producers of their software aren't feeding them a lot of verbage to justify the higher cost of a pro version of a software application or operating system. Does anyone on this list know or understand more of the details on this? Sue B. Peter Holdstock wrote:OK so let's say I am running a version of windows targeted at a business or Pro user, but then I want to use JAWS, but do not want any extras, I still have to pay the extra for JAWS Pro as standard will not run. You say that it is not FS who dictates which version of JAWS you need to run on a given version of windows, but that isn't correct. It is FS who decides whether to allow JAWS to be activated successfully in each version of windows. Windows just identifies which version windows itself is, and the FS programmers dictate the rest. If someone purchases different versions of windows they do receive more or less of a product depending on the version they pay for, so yes you only get the version which has the functionality the user wants. However I want to be able to use JAWS (just JAWS) as a standard version as I do not need any of the Pro features, and yet I have to pay a premium to do that. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:53 AM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Jaws Standard/professionalHi Peter, Ron and list, This list had a background discussion about this thread about four weeks ago. The answer at that time was, "it is due to market differentiation." Just like we have six versions of Vista and five versions of XP, but with two or three essential markets being targeted, we have the same strategy here with FS. The "essential markets," then, are these three: consumer/home use, professional/business and a combination of two/enthusiasts. Standard/Home versions of Windows, such as XP Home and Vista/7 Home Basic/Premium, are optimized for home/single-user scenarios, while pro/business versions including Windows XP Pro and Vista/7 Business (Pro in 7)/Enterprise target corporate/advanced users. Still, enthusiast/top versions such as XP Tablet PC/Media Center/64-bit and Vista/7 Ultimate target users who wants to get most out of their computers, such as technical analysts, multimedia professionals and so forth. The actual process of authorizing a JAWS version lies with not FS's practice: rather, it is derived from Winlogin process (Windows Logon service under Windows kernel) which determines a Windows version. Although FS' strategy of market differentiation exists, for technical perspective, it is Windows itself that determines which version of JAWS (Standard or Pro) would be authorized on a given computer. As for extras, if you don't want it, then that's okay. Hope it was helpful. Cheers, Joseph P.S. Was I too technical for you to understand? -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:14 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Jaws Standard/professional They only manage to get away with it because most JAWS users will be using a copy of JAWS purchased by governments, charities and other large organisations that tend to just pay what htey need to. I paid for my own copy, as did many people and it annoys me like hell that you have to pay more for the same thing. It's not like any further development has to go in to making JAWS work on Pro versions of windows. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron" <facup1927@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:09 AM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Jaws Standard/professionalNice one mate. Your exactly right. They are taking the piss a little. My computer adviser who knows a lot about software says, he's never known a programme that XP home won't be compatible with. If they are simply doing it for the money factor, and thinking about the people they are trying to help, they should be named, mentioned and discussed. Regards. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DJ Sent: 23 July 2009 00:44 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Jaws Standard/professional That, in my very humble opinion, is still, to this day, a lousy excuse. Just because someone else is doing it they should do it? Give me a cotton pickin' break. Let's be real here. They're charging more for the so called Pro version simply because they can, and people and the government continue to pay the price. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:09 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Jaws Standard/professional Actually, this is correct what FS is doing. If MS is asking us to pay more for "professional" features of Windows, why should FS not follow suit? There are no differences between standard and professional, however you can at least authorize JAWS on any supported version of Windows. Also you can buy add-ons like Remote Access and the new Tandem Direct. -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: chrishallsworth7266 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron" <facup1927@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:59 PM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Jaws Standard/professionalHi all. I have used Jaws Standard since version 6 and it has worked with all Windows software. And, having trouble with Vista and IE8, have decided to go back to XP. The XP version I have is professional. When I tried to download Jaws 10, which I had just paid £110 for an up grade, it said it was incompatible. Having phoned FS I was informed I would need to pay another £169 for an upgrade to professional. I asked what I was paying for, like what differences the professional version had, but they were a bit uncertain. They merely said it would work with XP Pro. Can anyone tell me why this is and what their reasons are? Why are we paying more for a professional version of Jaws, when it doesn't offer any extras. Any comments/thoughts would be appreciated. Ron-- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx. No virus found in this incoming message. 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