Ted, I want to get the terms straight, here. There are two ways people seem to use the idea of maximize. One is something to do with how a program runs, altogether, which I've seen as a choice between "normal" and "maximized," in dialogues like the properties dialogue for a program icon. Using Jaws versions starting with 3.7, I have always allowed every application to run in the default mode of normal. To the best of my knowledge, this has never been an impediment to Jaws functioning properly; in fact, most of these years I've retained still enough peripheral vision in my retinas that, even if insufficient for the detail work of reading (that's what central retinal function is for),and have seen that the "normal" deployment of appls like Word and Outlook Express fill the entire screen, from edge to edge, with nothing extraneous showing that might distract the Jaws focus. So I've always been a little perplexed about what this consistent Jaws directive is about. In any case, in Outlook Express only, there's one alternative way in which someone might use the term maximization, and that is, when you first open a message in the Inbox, or first open a new message to begin composing it, it opens in a reduced size. I don't mean the Preview size, which a Jaws user is encouraged to turn off. Jaws often works fine without enlarging this message window to make it fill the entire screen, displacing both the folder tree list and files list panes of the Inbox and leaving only the menu line above it and the status line beneath it. But when Jaws seems to be balking when I'm editing an email in progress, I always use alt space bar x to enlarge the message as just described, and then Jaws behaves fine. Note I said enlarge, not maximize. It's not that I wouldn't consider this maximizing the message, but I don't want to confuse what I'm describing with the idea of maximizing the entire interface, which is often what Jaws people mean, or have been told. Anyway, sorry to have to go through all that but I worry that it's not clear what's being talking about when the word "maximize" comes up while discussing this specific situation, reading or editing in an Outlook or Outlook Express message. Anyway, when this is happening, I do already have my message enlarged, filling the entire main area of the interface. I hope that's clear. Now, if what you mean is to change the way the program runs so that it's considered "maximized" in the other way, that's different. As I say, this is how I understand this stuff. If there's one person who can clearly explain anything I seem to be misunderstanding about this, and I mean confidently and accurately, I'll welcome hearing the explanation. And if you, Ted, can tell me what you mean by saying you maximize the window, ie.in other words, which window you're talking about-- the program display all in all or just the email message, that will be appreciated. Thanks. I hope, by the way, that it's understood that to minimize a program refers to reducing it to an icon on the task bar while you fill the screen either with the desktop or with the interface of another running application. That isn't a condition under which, sighted or using a screen reader, anyone could operate the program. So that has no place in a discussion of this sort. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:49 AM Subject: RE: Jaws 8 not reading words in email I'm writing I've had it in Juno with various JAWS versions. I usually restore normal operation by playing around with the screen size. If it's maxed, I restore it, or vice versa. The change seems to do it good. Ted -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bobcat Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:53 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Jaws 8 not reading words in email I'm writing I had this problem with earlier versions of Jaws. But, it seemed it was fixed with Jaws 8. I have the latest update to 8 and haven't had any problems with writing in OE so far. I sure hope they haven't broken something they just fixed. It was real frustrating trying to edit messages when Jaws would miss things and stop talking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Jaws 8 not reading words in email I'm writing > When messages about this appeared on the list when others were first > installing Jaws 8, I crossed my fingers and hoped nothing like this would > happen to me, too when I finally installed it. Well, I have, and it has. > > I'll be writing an email message, with my window maximized, just to be > sure > it's clear that this isn't relevant), and as I try to edit and reread what > I've been typing, Jaws will sometimes blank out and not speak some of the > words, until I get tied up in knots trying to clean up the message and > finish it. > > I think others were discussing this a month ago or so. What's the thing to > do? Just in case someone thinks I'm using the wrong type of characters > (that's never been a problem for me before; text or HTML alike have > behaved > just fine, before now), I'm sending out messages in plain text only. > > Thanks. > > -- > JFW related links: > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ > Scripting mailing list: > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com > JFW List instructions: > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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