Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
- From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:20:05 +0100
If you cast your mind back, this thread began with marcatony complaining
that he can't access some sites with JAWS 8 but can in JAWS 7, that
there are non-existent attachments, and that buttons are inactive that
should be active. A lot of irritated correspondents seem to be devoting
more effort to killing the thread than debugging marcatony's problems,
vastly increasing the length of the thread without adding much in the
way of pertinent information. If you want to get the thread back on
track, why not try and get more info out of marcatony rather than just
asking for the thread to be stopped? I hope you'll forgive me trying
(yet again) to obtain some detailed information:
marcantony, can you link to some sites where you're experiencing
difficulties, and explain precisely what problems you are experiencing,
and with what operating system and browser versions?
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 18:17 -0400, KANE BROLIN wrote:
> Yardbird:
>
> Thanks for saying what you did. I've not yet used JFW 8, nor have I
> participated in this thread. But hitting the delete key takes a great deal
> less time than complaining about other posters, some of whom might actually
> lend you a hand in the future. Everyone should really relax and
> contribute/complain about issues of material importance rather than ripping
> on fellow posters. As much as I love tweaking and refining my knowledge of
> programs, I have very little time to do so--especially in situations related
> to work. That's not what I get paid to do. The creators of JFW do get paid
> to make a product that works for most widely used applications out of the
> box. Whenever that does not work properly, users have a right to post
> grievances. Those who don't want to read those grievances, can hit Delete.
>
> -Kane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
>
>
> > I've been just chuckling so far at the occaisional annoyed post about this
> > thread. but wait a minute: seriously: Are you guys saying or implying that
> > the worse thing about people complaining about actual bugs and glitches in
> a
> > Jaws release is that they are too stupid and lazy to learn so much about
> > scripting that they can't do a major revision of a buggy release all on
> > their own? Where's that coming from? Ever heard of any other market where
> > you can sell your target demographic a washing machine or car model and,
> if
> > it has faults that ordinarily would necessitate a recall and free
> > replacement with a functional item by the company, instead, here, you
> think
> > everyone should spend hours of their lives learning to repair and
> > reconfigure this product as if it, browser and version were the Model T and
> > we were drivers in
> > the infancy of the American car? Seriously? Maybe you get tired of
> everyone
> > bitching aimlessly or pointlessly about the bugs, but you know, they're
> > doing it because they feel helpless and mistreated as consumers, and want
> to
> > commiseratewith each other to diffuse some of their angry and depressing
> > feelings. That's a social impulse, perfectly healthy, and not at all
> > irrelevant. What makes you guys so darn stiff about this? Can't you open a
> > message, read the first line and see you don't care for it, and press
> escape
> > or Delete or whatever your favorite method is?
> >
> > I'm really surprised at how exercised people are getting over this. I
> think
> > the people who've posted are really distressed. And once they let off some
> > steam, sure, they could very well write to FS, and ought to if they care
> > that much. But give them a break. It's not costing anyone any money or
> > anything to let people go on a while like that. Have a heart.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Williams" <jwbr33694@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: Jaws 8 a disapointment
> >
> >
> > On about the same level as just moaning to people who can't change it on
> > their own?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> > Sent: 25 March 2007 02:33
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
> >
> >
> > I personally believe that Internet petitions of any kind are the most
> > phenomenal waste of time known to humanity.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > --
> > Bruce Toews
> > Skype ID: o.canada
> > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: DogRiver@xxxxxxxx
> > LiveJournal: http://brucetola.livejournal.com
> > Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net
> > Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net
> > Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bruce and all,
> > >
> > > A petition *might* be useful only if it offers real, constructive
> > suggestions
> > > rather than just complaining about the current state of affairs. I'm not
> > > usually a complainer about JAWS, but, well, I must say, JAWS has been
> > > exhibiting some serious reliability issues as of late, and various
> updates
> > > have failed to resolve them.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, despite the three screen readers I have on my system,
> I
> > > use JAWS the most while performing my job duties, so I guess that says
> > > something as well...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:14 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Jaws 8 a disapointment
> > >
> > >
> > >> Oh great another petition.
> > >>
> > >> bruce
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Bruce Toews
> > >> Skype ID: o.canada
> > >> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: DogRiver@xxxxxxxx
> > >> LiveJournal: http://brucetola.livejournal.com
> > >> Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net
> > >> Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries):
> http://www.ogts.net
> > >> Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Jim Williams wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Then maybe a petition should be set up with everyone's name who is
> fed
> > >> > up
> > >> > with this deal. Or alternatively, flood FS with our e-mails.
> > >> >
> > >> > As has been said many times, fellow listers can't change the
> software
> > >> > only
> > >> > FS can do that.
> > >> >
> > >> > Jim Williams
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > >> > Behalf
> > >> > Of Agent86b
> > >> > Sent: 24 March 2007 23:17
> > >> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Even if you submit complaints to FS it has been my experience
> nothing
> > >> > changes.
> > >> > Max.
> > >> >
> > >> > on 01:50 25/03/2007, Rick Harmon said:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > Have you made any of your problems known to FS? Complaining here
> > >> > won't
> > >> > make
> > >> > JAWS work any better. Everyone that has issues with JAWS needs
> to
> > >> > submit
> > >> > their complaints to them. Otherwise your wasteing your time.
> > >> >
> > >> > Rick
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > =======
> > >> >
> > >> > Visit my webpage and podcast feed at www.blind-geek-zone.net
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "alicia" <astarner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:40 AM
> > >> > Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I agree. I have not used JAWS 8 in some time, because I honestly
> > feel
> > >> > it
> > >> > is
> > >> > the worse release ever put out by Freedom Scientific. It has many
> > >> > bugs;
> > >> > therefore, I have resorted to using JAWS 7.1 until FS repairs the
> > >> > many
> > >> > things that are wrong with the 8 version.
> > >> >
> > >> > Alicia
> > >> >
> > >> > "The chief handicap of the blind is not blindness, but the
> attitude
> > >> > of
> > >> > > seeing people towards them."
> > >> > > - Helen Keller, 1925
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "marcatony" <marcatony@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:53 AM
> > >> > Subject: Jaws 8 a disapointment
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > I am very disapointed in Jaws 8. There are so many sites that I
> > >> > can
> > >> > not
> > >> > > get it to read. Between telling me there are non-existant
> > >> > attachments
> > >> > to
> > >> > > telling me that buttons are inactive. I have two versions of Jaws
> > >> > close
> > >> > > at
> > >> > > hand since Jaws 7 seems to be able to read more things.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Marsha Anderson
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
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