Thanks. Would help to know if he programs in some language. But I don't know Braille yet and not sure if I will get to that level of ability with it soon. Prakash From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yadiel Sotomayor Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:31 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING I am not a programmer, although I would like to learn. But I do know a blind programmer. He uses a large 80 cell braille display and a portable 40 braille display from programming on the go. He says that it helps a lot to "see" the line of code and it is easier to find problems and stuff like that. From: John Martyn<mailto:johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:32 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING I can understand your struggle. I used to do much in the way of programming. Now after almost 3 years of being blind, I jumped back on that horse. It was an adjustment period but I think the things that have changed the most is learning to structure your code the way it is written differently. Each line has to be read out so it is best to have different profiles for programming than just navigating with jaws. Debugging is a little more difficult so to read each line more thoroughly can be time consuming. I have jaws read out every little character. It just takes practice. Some programs don't read the lines the way you wish they would. I am still experimenting with using jaws configuration files to customize the way I interact with each line. I think as far as ease of coding, jaws script is the most forgiving in terms of debugging things because the compiler has code checking for you. Other programs are not as forgiving. PHP and mySQL is a challenge, but I can still do it. I'm just getting started on C++ so I'll see how it goes. You can write to me off list if you have more questions, JohnRobertMartyn@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:JohnRobertMartyn@xxxxxxxxx> regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Hina Altaf<mailto:haltaf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:45 AM Subject: RE: JFW/PROGRAMMING Hi, I think to listen to a code with jaws can be a bit challenging because you might not notice what exactly is wrong, so it is better to read the code with braille display attached. I myself studied programming and it was possible but you have to get used to listening to the code with jaws. Thanks. Hina altaf Assistive technology specialist. From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of PRAKASH P Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:43 AM To: JFW@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: PRAKASH P Subject: JFW/PROGRAMMING I HAVE RECENTLY COME TO A POINT WHERE I CANNOT DO ANYTHING VISUALLY ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN. I HAVE BEEN USING zOOMtEXT AUDIO EFFECTIVELY UNTIL NOW. But now I am told JFW is the way to go. Can someone give me a good view/opinion of how effective/efficient would it b to do programming for a living with or without JFW. I have 20 years of programming experience with MS environments being the latest. I am able to read all ctooll tip based text and the program text itself but not sure if I can compete with The visually enhanced set. I know I have much learning to do but I would like a seasoned person to give a sense of whats possible. I am a good learner if not a speedy one. I am trying to figure out if I should or should not give up on serious implementation responsibilities. Thanks for any and all input I can get. Prakash Prakash This email and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may be confidential and/or privileged. 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