RE: JFW/PROGRAMMING
- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:19:38 -0600
Bob,
The Opticon is (was) the ultimate solution for anyone who could use it.
Too bad it went down the tubes.
Cy, The Anasazi
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Bob W
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:35 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Dave.
I'm afraid I missed that particular piece of equipment but it really sounds
interesting.
In the early eighties there were two approaches to interpreting visual data:
the hardware solution (including the frank audio data, the IBM talking terminal
and, to my mind the ultimate solution, the optacon. Then there were the
software solutions exemplified by jaws (Hentor-Joyce) and Window-eyes (gwmicro)
and the artic speech programs.
Sometimes I wish the hardware guys would have won the battles.
We wouldn't have to push websites and software developers to be accessible.
Captias would be no problem. And a myriad other problems could have been solved
if we truly found a hardware solution.
But we didn't. and they are still problems.
Bob
"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed
by those who are dumber." Aristotle
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Durber <mailto:d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Back in the 1980's, I remember a friend using a piece of equipment, called
"Frank AudioData"
It was a full size keyboard with built-in speech. It had two sliders.
One slider, ran along the top of the keyboard which moved the AudioData's
cursor left and right across the line. It used tones to indicate space
characters and other characters as you moved the slider.
The vertical slider ran down the left side of the keyboard and was used to move
the AudioData's cursor up and down by a line. As you moved the slider down the
screen, it used ascending tones. As you moved the slider up the screen it used
descending tones.
On top of the two sliders, there was a button which you press to move the
PC/application cursor to the location of the AudioData's cursor.
In addition, there were volume and pitch controls. There may have been a
control for increasing and decreasing the speed of the voice, but I cannot
remember if there was or was not.
Sincerely:
Dave durber
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob W <mailto:rwiley45@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Yeah, I remember those beauties. You had speech from the moment you turned the
power on.
They weren't very versatile but they were quite a work horse.
Don't remember what they were called.
I always wished someone would build something like that for pcs.
Bob
"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed
by those who are dumber." Aristotle
----- Original Message -----
From: George Marshall <mailto:marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Tom:
I am surprised IBM didn't give you one of there terminals with speech. I also
programmed on IBM 360,370 and 9000's. I think about 1982 IBM developed a
terminal with speech, had a numeric like pad attached with a cord used to
control reading of the screen.
George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Lange <mailto:trlange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Hi,
I wish I'd known about JAWS back in the Eighties, it might have made life
easier for me in some respects. I did mainframe programming for IBM from 1978
to 1994 in a VM environment, programming using the APL programming language up
until around 1987 or so. After that I programmed using Rexx, which was very
English-like.
I didn't know about screen reading solutions for the PC until 1994, so all
through that time I was at IBM, I used an Optacon to read the screen. That was
actually pretty cool, if a bit inefficient.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob W <mailto:rwiley45@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Hi Prakash.
I am retired now, but was a mainframe programmer from the early seventies to
the late 1990s. I used jaws from the early 80s to my retirement. I don't think
I could have done programming without it.
What you are proposing--going from a visual programmer to a nonvisual
programmer--is a daunting, but not impossible, challenge.
I suspect that you do not know Braille. Knowledge of Braille and an 80-cell
display would be a great tool to have in your arsenal. You don't need to learn
literary Braille, or even grade two Braille (though this might be helpful. But,
I would suggest that you emphasize learning computer Braille, which in some
ways is superior to literary Braille.
As I said earlier, your challenges may seem daunting, but they can also be fun,
and they may enhance your creativity.
Good luck, and when you run into problems, this list is a great place to seek
answers.
Bob
A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing
you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: john.falter <mailto:john.falter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
I programmed in assembly language and Cobol for 8 years using JAWS..
----- Original Message -----
From: PRAKASH P <mailto:P.Prakash@xxxxxxx>
To: JFW@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: PRAKASH P <mailto:P.Prakash@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: JFW/PROGRAMMING
I HAVE RECENTLY COME TO A POINT WHERE I CANNOT DO ANYTHING VISUALLY ON THE
COMPUTER SCREEN.
I HAVE BEEN USING zOOMtEXT AUDIO EFFECTIVELY UNTIL NOW. But now I am told JFW
is the way to go.
Can someone give me a good view/opinion of how effective/efficient would it b
to do programming for a living with or without JFW.
I have 20 years of programming experience with MS environments being the
latest. I am able to read all ctooll tip based text and the program text
itself but not sure if I can compete with
The visually enhanced set. I know I have much learning to do but I would
like a seasoned person to give a sense of whats possible.
I am a good learner if not a speedy one.
I am trying to figure out if I should or should not give up on serious
implementation responsibilities.
Thanks for any and all input I can get.
Prakash
Prakash
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