Re: [JFW] jaws with that attitude of yours:
- From: "david poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:18:03 -0400
we are talking about jaws right?
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [JFW] jaws with that attitude of yours:
I believe that window bridge was also one of the first if not the
first.
They were the first back in 1992. they were also the first with windows
95 support offering it on the day of the release of 95 they also offered
support for 98 on the day of release. Window bridge 2000 offered
support on the day of release of windows 2000 and me.
They had this slick transition from dos to windows so a blind person
could do their own installations.
Yes and you could use the same screen reader for both dos and windows.
They are both gone,
Yes it is sad window bridge is now a thing of the past. This has
nothing to do with use how ever. The founder of synthavoice passed
away in 2001 and there was no one to carry on his grate and vastly
better work. Now we are stuck with this 3rd rate support and 2nd rate
user interfaces. Where jaws stand above the other screen readers is
marketing and it has a wonderfully flexible scripting langwige.
and Jaws and Windoweye are keeping up the good fight.
And they will until linix comes along with a gui interface that is as
accessible as windows and then the free software will over take the over
priced software.
----- Original Message -----
From: "david poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "jfw users email list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 9:21 AM
Subject: jaws with that attitude of yours:
> Remember the good old days when we were crawling out of dos into
> windows? Well, some of you will I'm sure. Remember how jaws shaped
> the way screen reading and interacting with the computer was done and
> how it was all
brand
> new, frustrating, exciting and challenging and how it opened up a
> whole
new
> world albiet it slowly to us and how it closed it again and then
> opened
and
> closed it again? Well, some of you will I'm sure.
>
> We now live in a world where jaws is concerned where those of us who
> use jaws are dictated to by it what software and in some cases,
> hardware we
can
> use even though there is a lot out there that we could use if only...
> We also live in a world where jaws is concerned that though the
> learning
curve
> is steep and in some cases even too steep for some with a technical
> bent
to
> climb, we have tremendous power at our finger tips.
>
> I'll take this last bit first and stop along the way to my main poiint
> to say that I well remember the use of the jaws cursor for doing a lot
> of things that could not be done in any other way. One of my tests
> with jaws was to find ways to do as much as possible without the jaws
> cursor or
custom
> scripts. Now though it seems that there are people who want scripts
> for things that jaws can already do because of either a lack of
> understanding that jaws can do them or a lack of willingness to apply
> the power of jaws
to
> get it to work for them. This attitude has to change. Folk, we need
> to work smarter with jaws than to want a script or some special
> customization to do something that jaws can already do for us if we
> are to really get
our
> time and money's worth out of it. This is a fact in that if we take
> the approach that everything needs to be scripted we will limit
> ourselves to
far
> less than that which we can achieve with the current and growing power
> of jaws. Rather than asking if there is a script for this or that or
> can
this
> be scripted, First, find out if there are good ways to do things
> without scripting. Do this because if you go to a computer that does
> not have the script for what you want to do and it can be done, or if
> you loose the script you will be able to do it. I know there is a lot
> that needs to be scripted and other wise customized from within and
> with jaws and I'm
getting
> to that but this is one of the most powerfull ways to approach jaws
> that there is. If efficiency is what you require and there is no
> approach besides scripting that achieves that efficiency than I'd say
> that customization is called for but I have found little that can be
> done with jaws without scripting that needs to be scripted for the
> sake of
efficiency.
> jaws has a lot of power and if you don't know how much power it has,
> just read its documentation, listen to its new features cds, explore
> the web site. If you are concerned with a particular environment such
> as office
or
> the internet, learn about all that jaws has to offer in that
> environment from the resources provided including this list.
>
> We are faced with a shrinking world who use jaws while others are
> moving
to
> broader and broader horizons and I hope this will be noticed by fs and
> corrected as soon as possible. We need access to mozilla, netscape,
opera,
> better access to java application suites and many many more. If we
> don't get this access, we will be looking else where for our access so
> that it
can
> be provided to us. This is the way of the world and the market place.
> We are now at a cross roads as we were when windows became usable by
> those
with
> screen readers in that it is becoming increasingly possible for screen
> readers to interact with other platforms. I'm not even sure that the
> next itteration of windows will be as accessible as this one is. It
> seems that even though they are accessible, each new itteration of
> windows becomes
less
> accessible in some ways and this is certainly true of many other
> microsoft products which is what jaws seems to be primarily focused
> on. So, like it or not, those of you who see a long future of screen
> reading ahead for you will find yourself increasingly looking for
> alternatives to what you have and the potentially less than what you
> have now than what you will have.
>
> I will stay with jaws as long as possible, but when you look around
> for where to migrate, I'll most likely be there too. I have always
> and will continue to strive for excellence in the use of jaws and will
> continue too help those who wish to achieve that excellence at no cost
> to the best of
my
> ability. When you find your self migrating to a new environment, if I
> can help, I will. Amazing things are happening and I hope we can all
> enjoy
them
> together for as astounding as jaws is and it is becoming even more
> astounding with each new itteration enriching its feature set and
providing
> access in ways we never thought possible, the face of screen reading
> and interacting with the computer will change forever in the not too
> distant future.
>
> David Poehlman
> poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
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