Re: JAWS--good product--potential problem

  • From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:03:45 -0500

I'll keep this short and to the point.  We are concerned here it seems with
getting at the issue of bypassing blank lines and getting to information
that we wish to get at.  Have e, p and n been tried?  Have contacting the
authors of the sites been tried?  It seems to me that if sites are marked up
in the first place, you could use stuff like h or 1 - 7 to jump through the
types of information on the page.  If a good table is present, the table
commands work quite well.  Sorry, this was longer than I intended but we are
focusing on dealing with the blank lines rendered on web pages.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tusing" <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS--good product--potential problem


Greetings,
  Problems  occur when pages   contain   information that will change often
and  when each separate item of  information--not a   link--is surrounded by
3 blank  lines--creating sites with 270     blank lines which  one  must
move back and forth through.
I have had  little success with  using the "s"   keystroke as   in my
humble  opinion  it worked better   in 4.51.
The Window Eyes  "l"  keystroke is a wasted effort as  it acts   like a
right-handed  tab  equivalent, but that might help----I guess-- but    one
is still  using the hand  that uses the numpad.
Please   understand I   love the new keystrokes, but using shift tab  hasn't
solved my  problem.
Reading by sections  in   from the bottom  upwards and  using "say all"  and
"shift s"  hasn't done it either.
So I ask you kind  people,  is there "a way" to create a tab like
equivalent and   assign that function to another  key  while  keeping the
original  tab key  doing its thing...tabbing as it should?
 when  one is  on  one of those sites with 300   links  and 1200 blanks  or
links with similar names--like stock market research pages, It does  not
help  when the "s"    key capriciously  misses true "real"   links which I
have  reported to  F S like5 times--sending them attached  pages  and its
coding  which sadly I   cannot do  here.
JAWS   is fantastic; so are you all. I worked on this till 4 A M and started
again  today.
Any ideas appreciated very much.
One other solution would be to  "fix" the  "s"  keystroke  commented on here
by  others  so that  it " never"   misses links.
JAWS   is  the  only  option and it is really  excellent.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS--good product--potential problem


> Dale, While this is true, you must admit that it is cumbersom to use this
> technique for navigation especially if you are doing research and on some
> sistems, the forward and back during say all don't really work all that
> well.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: JAWS--good product--potential problem
>
>
> Well, there is the say-all sequence, it does not speak blank lines and
does
> not require a lot of repetitive use.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario
> dleavens@xxxxxxx
>      Home of the Polar Bear Express!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tusing" <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:51 PM
> Subject: JAWS--good product--potential problem
>
>
> Greetings,
> Although I do appreciate the effort behind and the great value of using
> JAWS:
> I  am  hearing from a growing--but  not scientific-polled group of  people
> who
> are reporting problems.
> Their  issue which I do not wish to become my  issue  or  your issue is
due
> to stress or repeat motion strain on the hands due to the  increased
number
> of  keystrokes we get to  use as years  go by.
> Being fair, we do  have Internet  keystrokes which work to a certain
> extent:  however, the inability to "remove" totally blank  lines from the
> web page reading experience has  such  people abandoning 5.
> Very few people keyboard constantly as we screen reader users  do as our
> software is keyboard driven and the  increased risk of carpel tunnel
> syndrome is always there.
> Why can't F S give us a toggle for "lessening" the  number of  totally
blank
> lines since the Internet keystrokes although O K--certainly are not 100%.
> Why can't we "choose"   to turn  "off"   totally blank lines  on some  or
> all web sites?
> After all,  if JAWS can encounter text then one can surely program to
locate
> (and  hopefully) remove totally blank lines.
> Repeat use damage can ruin a career.
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
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