I'll keep this short and to the point. We are concerned here it seems with getting at the issue of bypassing blank lines and getting to information that we wish to get at. Have e, p and n been tried? Have contacting the authors of the sites been tried? It seems to me that if sites are marked up in the first place, you could use stuff like h or 1 - 7 to jump through the types of information on the page. If a good table is present, the table commands work quite well. Sorry, this was longer than I intended but we are focusing on dealing with the blank lines rendered on web pages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tusing" <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: JAWS--good product--potential problem Greetings, Problems occur when pages contain information that will change often and when each separate item of information--not a link--is surrounded by 3 blank lines--creating sites with 270 blank lines which one must move back and forth through. I have had little success with using the "s" keystroke as in my humble opinion it worked better in 4.51. The Window Eyes "l" keystroke is a wasted effort as it acts like a right-handed tab equivalent, but that might help----I guess-- but one is still using the hand that uses the numpad. Please understand I love the new keystrokes, but using shift tab hasn't solved my problem. Reading by sections in from the bottom upwards and using "say all" and "shift s" hasn't done it either. So I ask you kind people, is there "a way" to create a tab like equivalent and assign that function to another key while keeping the original tab key doing its thing...tabbing as it should? when one is on one of those sites with 300 links and 1200 blanks or links with similar names--like stock market research pages, It does not help when the "s" key capriciously misses true "real" links which I have reported to F S like5 times--sending them attached pages and its coding which sadly I cannot do here. JAWS is fantastic; so are you all. I worked on this till 4 A M and started again today. Any ideas appreciated very much. One other solution would be to "fix" the "s" keystroke commented on here by others so that it " never" misses links. JAWS is the only option and it is really excellent. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: JAWS--good product--potential problem > Dale, While this is true, you must admit that it is cumbersom to use this > technique for navigation especially if you are doing research and on some > sistems, the forward and back during say all don't really work all that > well. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: JAWS--good product--potential problem > > > Well, there is the say-all sequence, it does not speak blank lines and does > not require a lot of repetitive use. > > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario > dleavens@xxxxxxx > Home of the Polar Bear Express! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tusing" <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:51 PM > Subject: JAWS--good product--potential problem > > > Greetings, > Although I do appreciate the effort behind and the great value of using > JAWS: > I am hearing from a growing--but not scientific-polled group of people > who > are reporting problems. > Their issue which I do not wish to become my issue or your issue is due > to stress or repeat motion strain on the hands due to the increased number > of keystrokes we get to use as years go by. > Being fair, we do have Internet keystrokes which work to a certain > extent: however, the inability to "remove" totally blank lines from the > web page reading experience has such people abandoning 5. > Very few people keyboard constantly as we screen reader users do as our > software is keyboard driven and the increased risk of carpel tunnel > syndrome is always there. > Why can't F S give us a toggle for "lessening" the number of totally blank > lines since the Internet keystrokes although O K--certainly are not 100%. > Why can't we "choose" to turn "off" totally blank lines on some or > all web sites? > After all, if JAWS can encounter text then one can surely program to locate > (and hopefully) remove totally blank lines. > Repeat use damage can ruin a career. > Thank you. > > > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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