Re: JAWS problem on new HP laptop
- From: "John Miller" <n1umj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:19:39 -0500
Now, when it freezes like that, does it come back on it's own? or do you
have to restart the machine?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Epley" <gregepley@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: JAWS problem on new HP laptop
Hello,
Before I describe the problem I'm having with a new laptop system and JAWS,
here is the currently working laptop system for your reference:
JAWS 5.10.383
Windows XP Home Edition, SP2
Dell Inspiron 4000
Intel Pentium III 900MHz
512Mb RAM
ATI Rage Mobility M3
ESS Maestro PCI Audio
And here is the new laptop system that the problem is occuring on:
JAWS 5.10.383
Windows XP Home Edition, SP2
HP Pavilion ZV5210US
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
512Mb RAM
NVIDIA GeForce4 440 Go 64M
SoundMAX Digital Audio
Again, the software above has all been running fine on the Dell mentioned
above; I am also using the same speech synth on the HP as the Dell, but have
tried using Elloquence and had the same problem.
I thought perhaps someone here on the list might know of what is causing the
conflict as the FS support database mentions no conflicts with the exact
hardware components on the HP system, or that perhaps someone had this same
system and could help me troubleshoot the issue.
I haven't contacted FS yet about this problem because I have no control over
who responds to the support request, and I need someone I can count on who
can get to the crux of the problem and get it fixed rather than blindly
grasping at straws, having no more idea than I do how to fix it. I don't
need that; I can do plenty of that without anyone's help if I want. I want
to see what sort of response I get from list members first and then proceed
from there.
The problem:
I can be working along on the HP, when suddenly the whole system just seems
to seize up. JAWS stops talking; my wife reports the mouse pointer still
moves using a regular mouse or the touchpad, however, the mouse cannot be
used to open the start menu or anything, and neither an external full size
keyboard or the laptop keyboard will function. I therefore can't try to
launch Microsoft Narrator to see if it will talk.
The above "seize up" occurs at random times. I have kept records showing I
ran these sessions:
1 hour 52 min.
49 min.
6 min.
10 min.
52 min.
25 min.
58 min.
1 hour 6 min.
The last four usage sessions were run with the system being powered up from
cold early in the morning and shut off around 6:30-7pm; so for the last two
usage sessions for example, I ran 58 min. with no seize up, then the system
just sat there until late afternoon/early evening, then I had a seize up
after 1 hour 6 min.; all the other times listed, I turned the system on from
cold and used it for the time listed before it seized up.
I have checked the system several times and compared how hot it got compared
to the Dell, and the HP system is running far cooler, even when comparing
both laptops just sitting there doing nothing. So that and the random times
listed would seem to indicate the problem isn't heat related.
There is nothing in any kind of diagnostic I have run on the HP to indicate
any kind of hardware failure or conflict of a hardware nature or a software
driver.
Personally I feel the problem is JAWS and not some flaw in the computer
components. Perhaps it is the processor, but as Windows XP SP2 seems to
have no issues otherwise, and the problem only occurs with JAWS usage, that
would seem to indicate the issue is JAWS related. If it is the processor,
FS had better get their act together and get this figured out and working,
because anyone shopping for a system is going to start ending up with
processors like this.
Perhaps it is the SoundMax audio or the specific model NVIDIA video card.
The video intercept installed fine and has reported no problems under any
resolution or quality I've tried. The sound has performed fine running
various applications other than the fact that I can't hear JAWS any longer
once the system seizes up. Again, if the problem is due to one of these
devices, FS had better get to fixing it as best they can; laptops aren't
like desktops; you pretty much end up with integrated sound and video you
have no choice over.
I have an investment in the JAWS software of well over $1,000 at this point,
and while I understand FS can't test or force their software to work with
everything, I likewise shouldn't be pinned down to only buying machines with
certain processors or sound or video cards.
The system is going nowhere. I am keeping the system, even if it takes FS
several years to come up to the state of the art processor and other
components in this HP laptop.
I want to be very careful what I enable, disable, install or uninstall, lest
I end up having to clean install a brand new laptop all because no one here
on the list or at FS has any more idea than I do what is causing the problem
and are just blindly grasping at straws to fix the problem. I don't need
the latter; something is causing this problem and there is some way to fix
it that doesn't require grasping at straws to fix.
At this point I'd appreciate any constructive, positive feedback I can get
on this seizing problem, as I'd like to begin getting full use out of my
brand new laptop. No one is going to change my opinion of FS products so
let's just stick to the problem at hand and leave it at that.
Oh BTW I should add that I checked the BIOS settings and there does not
appear to be anything in there that would seem to be something I could
disable or change that could solve the problem.
The problem also does not appear to occur while using any particular
application (such as IE, Outlook Express, etc.). I do not own any competing
screedn reading product, and as the trial times for Dolphin's HAL and G.W.
Micro's WindowEyes are only 30 minutes long, it would take me quite a long
time running 30 min. sessions to try to stumble across one of the seizes
that might occur within that short time frame. Besides which, one of the
things FS did a really good job on was the keyboard layout for JAWS vs. the
competitors products. I think this is just a matter of isolating what is
causing the problem, and perhaps FS fixing some flaw in their product that
doesn't like the processor, sound card or video card on this HP laptop.
The problem also doesn't appear to occur in a reproducable manner; i.e.,
I've had it seize up when I was really typing fast, but also when I wasn't -
perhaps when I was just hitting one key after several seconds. There is
just no pattern to it; it is like playing Russian roulette with my work - do
something and save, do something and save, do something and BOOM - seize up
without any warning.
I haven't received my JAWS 6 shipment yet, so have no idea if JAWS 6 would
resolve the problem.
Again, please offer any constructive, positive feedback if you think you
have any ideas as to what might be causing the problem. I have client work
I am trying to complete so please bear with me if I don't respond back
quickly; I will try suggestions as soon as I can and get back to any of you
as soon as possible.
-Greg
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