Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

  • From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "org, jfw@freelists. " <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 00:14:47 -0000

that is true cy, but ddoesn't windows 7 and jaws do away with those video intercept things? I never understood them, tried to imagine they helped one bit of software to hear another,but only guessing the salesman who kindly demonstrated all the equipment in my home as I was unable to go to an exhibition was selling xp,but demonstrating using windows 98, years later I asked him why? He said"it was easier to use and to colour the pallets,that last sentence interested me regards dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!


Well fellas, I agree. Keep that old Windows 98 machine.
Things were a whole lot simpler back then because we were not trying to be
all things to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)
Just remember what happened to Julius Caesar when he tried to be all
things
to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)
Cy, The Anasazi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:38 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

Alan,

Good point, however I would think that after all those years, and the fact
that you've made no changes to the operating system nor JAWS on that old
Gateway, might have some impact on its relative stability. Keeping a
simple
unencumbered version of JAWS is the path to happiness.  Don't let that
computer go. And I see you still have Openbook 7. Keep that, too. I found
several significant problems with OB9. They pulled that cookie out of the
oven too soon.

I continue to rant at how "bloated" is becoming our beloved JAWS, with all
the features, some of which I consider frivolous. Of course my opinion is
worth every penny or Kopeck or Guilder or Pound you might pay for it, and
therefore  worth nothing to anyone who has a different opinion.

I've asked FS specifically to start branching out JAWS into three basic
products (and price then appropriately) -- one for speech, one for
Braille,
and one for magnification. Then the code you pay for and receive is
optimized for your requirements and not hobbled to make it a cure-all for
all ailments.

Of course each "module" should allow merging of the other module to allow
dual capability.

And of course it was appreciated and considered as not being a suggestion
that would result in any improvement. So there I go. Another opinion worth
every penny.

Alan,  thanks for providing me yet another soap box to step up onto.

Dave
Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California


----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:38
Subject: JAWS getting better or worse!


Dear Dorothy, and List Members,
I did not want to give any of you fine folks the impression I am a cave
man,
and just using a old Gateway machine which I purchased in early 1999,
which
runs Windows 98 (first Edition) JAWS 5 and I think Open Book 6, but I also
have a Dell with XP-Home with JAWS 11 latest updates, and Open Book 7.02.

The point here especially for Dave is that things have not gotten better
for
Blind computer users, Microsoft Windows users, nor JAWS users, they have
gotten worse, as I have not had a single problem with my old computer's
configuration for 11 years.

Can any say that about what they are using right now, with JAWS 12,
Windows
7?

Not I!!
LOL!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org


----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990


it was interesting, and I think another list member met him as well I
cannot spell his name but something like John fiorant,no but I will find
it he is retired and seems to have known everyone. the list can be a bit
stuffy at times, interesting seeing how many are using dell computers,
having had dreadful service and a Drive failure plus fact when engineer
came he put in another faulty western digital, in all I have had to pay a
local engineer a great deal to set it up again,then heard Dell made big
profits and are pulling out of Ireland now the Irish economy is sinking,
I
have a good VIP friend in Herefordshire who once said tome 7, and a prior
viglen XP desktop "pack them up and find a courier and send to me and I
will do a rebuild, well of the viglen he knew,the engineers were making a
mess of things, re vintage computers, the maker of your windows 98, must
have been good, my late friend who loved his windows 98 had his pc custom
made by a local small 2 man business.regarding booths current dell
desktop
sorry I have a broken shoulder and typing is very hard, I was thinking
like some cars, they get a good name and on usa I think a song was sung
about Chevrolet57----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:59 PM
Subject: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990


Hello Dave,
I apoligize if my message was not apropiate for the list, but I thought
the person said he had been using JAWS since the 1980's, and when I met
Ted Henter, in late 1990, almost 1991, he was still developing JAWS.
It had not been released yet!

Thank you!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org


----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: I met Ted Henter in 1990


Alan,

What's the context of your message? I find nothing to tell me why you
posted
this reply.

Fill me in.

Dave
Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
California


----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 06:43
Subject: I met Ted Henter in 1990


Dear Friends,
Well, I met Ted Henter in November 1990 when he came to a Blind
Computer
Users Group I had founded here in Miami.
He basically came to say he was developing a Screen Reading software.

I must tell you, I did not take him very serious, nor did I think many
of
the nearly 30 attendents did

I actually chuckled to myself of course, when he took the speakers
stand
and
started his presentation, "How does this guy think he can go up against
Digital Equipment Company, DEC Talk, the IBM Screen Reader, Giant
corporations that could throw as much money into their Screen reading
software programs as they cared to".

I had not a clue that he was on to something fantastic!
I remember him as a very kind soft spoken, cordial gentleman.
I am so glad it worked out for him, and us!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org




----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: new on the list


Hello Bob!

Welcome to the list. Since the 1980s? What version of JAWS are you
currently
using? Some of us are using JAWS 12 on various platforms and have
noticed
some vagaries in operation. What's your experience?

Dave
Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
California


----- Original Message ----- From: "bob mathews" <bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 22:10
Subject: new on the list


Hi all,
I am new on the list, but have been a JAWS user since the 1980tys...


Bob Mathews
Bob Mathews Consulting
866 6343773
bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



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