Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:08:48 -0800
Zdenek,
No arguments (or b-ing) from me, and I won't even complain about your
complaint on my complaining. I sense your frustration with the Braille
display issue, and am not able to commiserate since I don't use one. But
I'll continue to bring JAWS' fallacies to the attention of Freedom
Scientific in the hope that they veer back toward the notion of "Job
Access" being the first two letters in their name.
Otherwise, they should consider renaming the product "RIWS" to better
describe their present direction.
I'll let Cy chime in on what that stands for.
Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and Mixing
Studios, San Jose, California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 19:36
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
dave,
and that's myh bitch sabout bitching. Stimulating bitching jaws is worse
than windoweyes in this respect explanation follows jaws is worse than mac
speech explanation follows
useless bitching jaws did not fix this bitching follows
there are many applications and many demands and it must be difficult to try
to stay on top of everything which is in demand perhaps the future is not in
assistive technology but in companikes like microsoft coming up with speech
for their product but that's not happening so until then we have to rely on
products like jaws with all their problems and don't think that other
products for nonvisually impraid don't have bugs and don't think that other
companies don't sue how come that some speech software for blind does not
support focus braille display only because it is produced by jaws how come
that noone bittches about that?
food for thought?
Zdenek
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> Zdenek
>
> ,
>
> And miss out on all the stimulating discussion? Never. Just because I
> decry
> the fallacies of JAWS and the apparent direction it's headed, I don't
> think
> any other screen reader is better, and choose to not sit down and learn a
> new one all over again. I switched from Window-Eyes to JAWS back around
> 1999
> or so. Too old now to change, and also too old to not exercise my right to
> complain once in a while.
>
> Dave
> Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and
> Mixing
> Studios, San Jose, California
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:24
> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>
>
> well, I am not too sure if it is a good idea to critisize fs like this.
> Well
> if you do not like their product why do you use it? suggest something
> better
> say bye to the list and switch.
> Zdenek
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:10 PM
> Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!
>
>
>>I agree that fs should nail down the basic functionality before adding
>>the
>>gizzmoes. I don't need! The gizzmoes but I need jaws to to do what is
>>advertised and stable.
>>
>> Tom Bisset
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Alan Dicey
>> Sent: November 23, 2010 12:26 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: JAWS getting better or worse!
>>
>> Hello Cy, and Friends,
>> Well, I have an icon and short cut keys for my Random House Webster's
>> Unabridge Dictionary, the Wikipedia site, and use "Google Acssesible",
>> so
>> then you see I do not need the Research it feature of JAWS.
>>
>> And as some one else pointed out, I think it a fantastic idea that FS
>> develops specific JAWS programs, for example those using Braille
>> Displays,
>> Large Screen magnification programs, and thus keep JAWS as basic as
>> possible, therefore avoiding as many conflicts and problems having so
>> many
>> features in their package as they can.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents worth!
>>
>> With Best Regards,
>> Alan
>> Miami, Florida
>> Alan Dicey, President
>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:11 PM
>> Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I agree.
>>> Research It is not necessary but it sure is handy when one is in Outlook
>>> ant
>>> wants to look up something with the dictionary or Wiki Pedia.
>>> Cy, The Anasazi
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Yadiel Sotomayor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:51 AM
>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>>>
>>> ?Like I have said in previous posts, I like research it. Specially the
>>> dictionary and wiki pedia modules. I really don't care much about sports
>>> and
>>>
>>> so I don't use them at all. But I must admit that the news modules is
>>> very
>>> useful and interesting (here in Puerto Rico the world news are almost
>>> non
>>> existing) and its good to be informed. However, like most of the peaple
>>> who
>>> use research it, it is fun, but not nesesary. Specially if the companies
>>> and
>>>
>>> universities don't create modules to make the information accessible
>>> with
>>> it. That is where the true power of research it really lies on creating
>>> modules to get certain kind of information accessible to jaws users. But
>>> no
>>> one creates them and so research it remains a fun feature, but nothing
>>> else.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Daniel McGee" <mc-g@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:18 PM
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>>>
>>>> Hi to all on this topic. I agree ok at 1st I liked Research it and when
>>>> I
>>>> listened to that podcast I thought that is a cool feature but I must
>>>> admit
>>>
>>>> I hardly even use the keystroke.
>>>> In my personal opinion, I am glad that I waited until jaws 12 came out.
>>>> The virtual Ribbon was worth the waiting for! Now I can use office 2007
>>>> with out avoiding it any more. I wonder why FS didn't fix that when it
>>>> 1st
>>>
>>>> came out. Hopefully it will continue to improve over the coming year.
>>>> I'll admit I couldn't see anything that was benifitual in jaws 11 and
>>>> at
>>>> the end of the day what's the point of research it if you don't do the
>>>> research your self! LOL
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:39 PM
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Cy,
>>>>> Well Said!
>>>>> Research it?
>>>>> Research it?
>>>>> I ain't got no Research it!
>>>>> I ain't got to use no stinkin Research it!
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> With Best Regards,
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> Miami, Florida
>>>>> Alan Dicey, President
>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>>>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> !
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well fellas, I agree. Keep that old Windows 98 machine.
>>>>>> Things were a whole lot simpler back then because we were not trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> all things to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)
>>>>>> Just remember what happened to Julius Caesar when he tried to be all
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)
>>>>>> Cy, The Anasazi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Farfar Carlson
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:38 PM
>>>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good point, however I would think that after all those years, and the
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> that you've made no changes to the operating system nor JAWS on that
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> Gateway, might have some impact on its relative stability. Keeping a
>>>>>> simple
>>>>>> unencumbered version of JAWS is the path to happiness. Don't let
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> computer go. And I see you still have Openbook 7. Keep that, too. I
>>>>>> found
>>>>>> several significant problems with OB9. They pulled that cookie out of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> oven too soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I continue to rant at how "bloated" is becoming our beloved JAWS,
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> the features, some of which I consider frivolous. Of course my
>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> worth every penny or Kopeck or Guilder or Pound you might pay for it,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> therefore worth nothing to anyone who has a different opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've asked FS specifically to start branching out JAWS into three
>>>>>> basic
>>>>>> products (and price then appropriately) -- one for speech, one for
>>>>>> Braille,
>>>>>> and one for magnification. Then the code you pay for and receive is
>>>>>> optimized for your requirements and not hobbled to make it a cure-all
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> all ailments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course each "module" should allow merging of the other module to
>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> dual capability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And of course it was appreciated and considered as not being a
>>>>>> suggestion
>>>>>> that would result in any improvement. So there I go. Another opinion
>>>>>> worth
>>>>>> every penny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan, thanks for providing me yet another soap box to step up onto.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
>>>>>> California
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:38
>>>>>> Subject: JAWS getting better or worse!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Dorothy, and List Members,
>>>>>> I did not want to give any of you fine folks the impression I am a
>>>>>> cave
>>>>>> man,
>>>>>> and just using a old Gateway machine which I purchased in early 1999,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> runs Windows 98 (first Edition) JAWS 5 and I think Open Book 6, but I
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> have a Dell with XP-Home with JAWS 11 latest updates, and Open Book
>>>>>> 7.02.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point here especially for Dave is that things have not gotten
>>>>>> better
>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> Blind computer users, Microsoft Windows users, nor JAWS users, they
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> gotten worse, as I have not had a single problem with my old
>>>>>> computer's
>>>>>> configuration for 11 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can any say that about what they are using right now, with JAWS 12,
>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>> 7?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not I!!
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Best Regards,
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>> Miami, Florida
>>>>>> Alan Dicey, President
>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>>>>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:20 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it was interesting, and I think another list member met him as well
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> cannot spell his name but something like John fiorant,no but I will
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> it he is retired and seems to have known everyone. the list can be a
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> stuffy at times, interesting seeing how many are using dell
>>>>>>> computers,
>>>>>>> having had dreadful service and a Drive failure plus fact when
>>>>>>> engineer
>>>>>>> came he put in another faulty western digital, in all I have had to
>>>>>>> pay
>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> local engineer a great deal to set it up again,then heard Dell made
>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>> profits and are pulling out of Ireland now the Irish economy is
>>>>>>> sinking, I
>>>>>>> have a good VIP friend in Herefordshire who once said tome 7, and a
>>>>>>> prior
>>>>>>> viglen XP desktop "pack them up and find a courier and send to me
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> will do a rebuild, well of the viglen he knew,the engineers were
>>>>>>> making
>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> mess of things, re vintage computers, the maker of your windows 98,
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> have been good, my late friend who loved his windows 98 had his pc
>>>>>>> custom
>>>>>>> made by a local small 2 man business.regarding booths current dell
>>>>>>> desktop
>>>>>>> sorry I have a broken shoulder and typing is very hard, I was
>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>> like some cars, they get a good name and on usa I think a song was
>>>>>>> sung
>>>>>>> about Chevrolet57----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:59 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Dave,
>>>>>>>> I apoligize if my message was not apropiate for the list, but I
>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>> the person said he had been using JAWS since the 1980's, and when I
>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>> Ted Henter, in late 1990, almost 1991, he was still developing
>>>>>>>> JAWS.
>>>>>>>> It had not been released yet!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With Best Regards,
>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>> Miami, Florida
>>>>>>>> Alan Dicey, President
>>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>>>>>>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
>>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>>>>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: I met Ted Henter in 1990
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's the context of your message? I find nothing to tell me why
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>> this reply.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fill me in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
>>>>>>>>> California
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 06:43
>>>>>>>>> Subject: I met Ted Henter in 1990
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>> Well, I met Ted Henter in November 1990 when he came to a Blind
>>>>>>>>> Computer
>>>>>>>>> Users Group I had founded here in Miami.
>>>>>>>>> He basically came to say he was developing a Screen Reading
>>>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I must tell you, I did not take him very serious, nor did I think
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the nearly 30 attendents did
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I actually chuckled to myself of course, when he took the speakers
>>>>>>>>> stand
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> started his presentation, "How does this guy think he can go up
>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>> Digital Equipment Company, DEC Talk, the IBM Screen Reader, Giant
>>>>>>>>> corporations that could throw as much money into their Screen
>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>> software programs as they cared to".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had not a clue that he was on to something fantastic!
>>>>>>>>> I remember him as a very kind soft spoken, cordial gentleman.
>>>>>>>>> I am so glad it worked out for him, and us!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>> Miami, Florida
>>>>>>>>> Alan Dicey, President
>>>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>>>>>>>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
>>>>>>>>> Chess!"
>>>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>>>>>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:17 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: new on the list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Bob!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list. Since the 1980s? What version of JAWS are
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>> using? Some of us are using JAWS 12 on various platforms and have
>>>>>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>>>>>> some vagaries in operation. What's your experience?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
>>>>>>>>>> California
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "bob mathews" <bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 22:10
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: new on the list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> I am new on the list, but have been a JAWS user since the
>>>>>>>>>> 1980tys...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bob Mathews
>>>>>>>>>> Bob Mathews Consulting
>>>>>>>>>> 866 6343773
>>>>>>>>>> bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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