RE: JAWS Using CITRIX
- From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:55:00 -0500
All:
For most of us, the debate over Citrix or Terminal Services is largely
academic. Usually, the corporate employer has standardized on one or the
other, usually, in my experience, Citrix. My old law firm used Citrix, and as
I've mentioned on this list, my new firm has graduated beyond Citrix to FireBox
which, for purposes of using business applications, is a million times better.
Whether one uses Terminal Services or Citrix (but not FireBox), copies of JAWS
have to be loaded at both the client and server machines. That is often the
trouble. IS folks typically don't read the documentation (or do so minimally).
Then Freedom Scientific has to get on the phone and hold their hands. I've
been through that headache more than once. If there is turnover in the Citrix
manager position, you're in for a headache all over again when a new version of
JAWS is installed.
Just my $0,.02.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:34 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS Using CITRIX
Terminal Services supports more than one logged in user at the same
time. Workstation licenses generally only provide for one connection
but that is a function of the license not the technology.
On 10/6/10, Chris Jenkins <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I would just like to remind everyone of a major difference between Windows
> terminal services and Citrix. As I understand it Windows terminal services
> will only work 1 to 1 while Citrix will work one to many. What I'm saying is
> if your employer uses Citrix they can have one server with more than one
> employee having access at one time. Where is if they use Windows terminal
> services only one person can have access at a time.
>
> Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I am basing this on what I
> remember reading in the Jaws for Windows help several years ago.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of chris hallsworth
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:29 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JAWS Using CITRIX
>
> Hi all!
> You have now made me curious!
> So, are you saying, that for Windows 2003 and 2008 can I use a Citrix
> server instead of Windows Terminal Services?
>
>
>
> From Chris H in Derbyshire
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>
> On 05/10/2010 00:12, Soronel Haetir wrote:
>> What exactly does Citrix offer that RDP doesn't? I could understand
>> the need for a product like Citrix when terminal services was a
>> separate add-on package for windows (through the time of NT4, maybe 2k
>> not sure there), but really don't see it now.
>>
>> Is it just inertia or is there something more I am unaware of?
>>
>> On 10/4/10, john vernaleken<jfv508@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am now able to connect to my workplace using Citrix with JAWS. The
> Freedom
>>> Scientific tech connected to my PC using Tandem and in less than 20
> minutes
>>> I was up and running.
>>>
>>> Freedom Scientific was great in providing support.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marquette, Ed"<Ed.Marquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:<jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:47 PM
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Using CITRIX
>>>
>>>
>>>> Getting the authorization code can be a problem. In fact, it was such a
>>>> problem for our IT folks (and they were in charge of 2,000 users) at my
>>>> old firm that they leaned on me to drop JAWS and go with Window-Eyes,
>>>> which doesn't have the same authorization code problem.
>>>> I can't tell you why it is a problem, but don't feel like the lone
> ranger
>>>> in dealing with this, and you may have to escalate through Freedom
>>>> Scientific technical support a couple of levels. Even then, it may not
>>>> work.
>>>> I'm so glad not to be using Citrix any more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
>>>>
>>>> Of john vernaleken
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:40 AM
>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Using CITRIX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am currently trying to access my work place thru Citrix. My Network
>>>> Operations team is working with Freedom Scientific. The only problem
> left
>>>> is
>>>> having the Server get the authorization Code from the remote client.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "chris hallsworth"<christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To:<jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:26 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Using CITRIX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well I can't understand how to get Citrix working. I tried to act my
>>>>> virtual machine as a remote server but I just didn't understand how to
>>>>> work with Citrix at all. On the client I had Citrix Xen Desktop and on
>>>>> the
>>>>> server I also had that. Might as well go back to Microsoft Remote
>>>>> Desktop/Terminal Services.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From Chris H in Derbyshire
>>>>> E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
>>>>> Please visit my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net.
>>>>> If you need any computer help, please contact me. Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30/09/2010 23:22, Marquette, Ed wrote:
>>>>>> Well, Firebox is great for some things, but not for others. With
> Citrix
>>>>>> you are, in effect, logged on to a remote computer, and the local
> client
>>>>>> receives only frames. That's a bit over-simplified, but the concept
> is
>>>>>> that the programs run remotely, and the local client acts essentially
> as
>>>>>> a terminal.
>>>>>> The good thing is that you are, in fact, logged into the remote
> machine.
>>>>>> With Firebox, you are not logged into a remote machine -- just the
>>>>>> firebox. So, it is like the disk I/O is piped to the remote servers.
>>>>>> Everything else is local. You are running all your own applications
>>>>>> locally. For that reason, JAWS doesn't have to be loaded anywhere
> other
>>>>>> than on the local machine. For that very reason, however, it is not a
>>>>>> useful tool to log onto a remote computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of chris hallsworth
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:03 PM
>>>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Using CITRIX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>> Does Firebox allow you to log on to servers remotely then? If so can I
>>>>>> use a screen reader in a terminal session? Or can I only do this with
>>>>>> actual Remote Desktop/Terminal Services or Citrix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From Chris H in Derbyshire
>>>>>> E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
>>>>>> Please visit my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net.
>>>>>> If you need any computer help, please contact me. Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17/09/2010 02:52, Marquette, Ed wrote:
>>>>>>> John:
>>>>>>> I haven't used JAWS with Citrix since JFW version 7. Then, it was
> kind
>>>>>>> of a pain. Periodically, JAWS would claim that I didn't have proper
>>>>>>> authorization. Often, when the screen saver came on, it would
>>>>>>> disconnect. In fact, our systems administrator was so frustrated with
>>>>>>> JAWS that I was strongly encouraged to switch to Window-Eyes, which I
>>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>> I've now switched firms, and couldn't get Window-Eyes to work with
> our
>>>>>>> Web-based document management system. So, i switched back to JAWS (on
>>>>>>> Version 11).
>>>>>>> We have something called "Firebox." It is, apparently, a kind of VPN
>>>>>>> application. I run it from the desktop, enter my password, and
>>>>>>> suddenly,
>>>>>>> I have access to Network drives. All loads and saves go to the
> network
>>>>>>> drives (unless I specify otherwise). The applications, however, all
> run
>>>>>>> locally. It is the next best thing to being at my desk, in the
> office,
>>>>>>> with the laptop connected to the docking station. Sometimes, I even
>>>>>>> think it is better.
>>>>>>> JAWS resides only on my laptop. No administrators have to load
> anything
>>>>>>> on any servers. In short, it is wonderful.
>>>>>>> Going back to Citrix would be like going back to the stone age.
>>>>>>> I must confess; I have a strong preference for small applications
> that
>>>>>>> do their thing flawlessly and then get the heck out of the way.
> Firebox
>>>>>>> does exactly that. Sometimes, if I'm concentrating, I forget I'm
>>>>>>> remotely connected through Firebox. I could never, ever say that with
>>>>>>> Citrix, whether I was running JAWS or Window-Eyes.
>>>>>>> So, if your VPN is like Firebox or is Firebox, run, don't walk, to
> use
>>>>>>> that option.
>>>>>>> I used to have to deal with a Citrix administrator to fix something
>>>>>>> fairly frequently. He and I became fast friends. I've never called an
>>>>>>> administrator with Firebox.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *john vernaleken
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:47 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> *Subject:* JAWS Using CITRIX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> Is anyone using CITRIX to connect to their workplace? I have
> the
>>>>>>> chance to work from home and the two choices I have is to use
> VPN
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> CITRIX.
>>>>>>> Pros and Cons to each way.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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