Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
- From: orhan deniz <orhan.deniz63@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: DJ <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:51:56 +0100
Hi DJ,
Yes, but ppl don wanna understand the freekin' point. The freekin' point is
that sighted ppl are placed in the edit field as well. Ya understand? We want
equality so we have it. Stop bitching and wining. Seriously.
Best regards,
Orhan.
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On Tuesday, 23 September 2008 1:43:17 AM, DJ Wrote:
> I disagree. The first thing I do at Google isn't always type in the edit
> box. I sometimes go to the Maps link, or some other area. So searching
> isn't the only thing on people's minds when they visit Google.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Rick Harmon
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:28 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
> No, if the primary thing you do on a page is immediately use an edit field
> such as in the case of google then the focus is on the edit field. I do
> believe this to be proper design of the webpage and nothing of FS doing at
> all.
> Also it has nothing to do with web designers hijacking us jaws users at all.
> Most of these web page designers have no idea what jaws even is.
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
> But Peter,
> I'm not sure from what perspective you're saying this about page design.
> When a Web page loads for a sighted user not using a screen reader, there is
> not a focus issue or the page capturing the mouse pointer or a cursor of
> some sort and jumping anywhere. The page simply loads, the person sees all
> of it, glances to where they want to look, and reads. Or, if they want to
> use an edit field, they see it and then put the mouse pointer on it. They
> aren't captured the way our Jaws focus is hijacked when a page loads and
> takes us straight to an edit field.
> So do you mean that Web page designers have deliberately coded something
> into edit fields in many cases that they know will attract the Jaws focus?
> Or is this rather something that FS designs into the way Jaws sees the page
> as it loads? Or some combination of these two things? See what I mean?
> designes JasewJaww
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:05 AM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
> Yes you can design the web page so that it jumps the user straight to a
> field, and yes it will be because of that design as to why it happens with
> some sites and not with others.
> I think that JAWS should initially treat the edit field it first jumps to as
> the page loads, in the same way as it treats form fields when you use the
> quick navigation keys.
> Peter
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:20 PM
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>> Hi Peter and all,
>> It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
>> happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not
>> sophisticated
>> enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first edit
>> field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen
>> with
>> every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far
>> from
>> the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the
>> article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can hear
>> the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish
>> to
>> use the global search function to look for something I don't know where to
>> find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get
>> to
>> the search form.
>> But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately,
>> bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back
>> upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it
>> didn't
>> happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got
>> everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.
>> If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm
>> or
>> preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to
>> hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me at
>> this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like
>> getting
>> involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or
>> defending them, either.
>> Thanks very much.
>> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>> Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode it
>> causes you to press submit or something instead.
>> As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically.
>> Peter
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>>> I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where you
>>> land
>>> on the search edit field after the site has loaded.
>>> Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I would
>>> probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know, some habits
>>> are
>>> so hard to break or change.
>>> Sincerely:
>>> Dave Durber
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