Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

  • From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:05:21 +0100

Yes you can design the web page so that it jumps the user straight to a field, and yes it will be because of that design as to why it happens with some sites and not with others.
I think that JAWS should initially treat the edit field it first jumps to as the page loads, in the same way as it treats form fields when you use the quick navigation keys. 

Peter

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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:20 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Hi Peter and all,

It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not sophisticated 
enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first edit
field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen with every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far from 
the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the
article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can hear
the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish to 
use the global search function to look for something I don't know where to
find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get to 
the search form.

But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately,
bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back
upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it didn't 
happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got
everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.
If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm or 
preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to
hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me at
this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like getting 
involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or
defending them, either.

Thanks very much.
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode it
causes you to  press submit or something instead.

As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically.

Peter

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From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where you
land
on the search edit field after the site has loaded.

Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I would
probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know, some habits
are
so hard to break or change.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

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