Just a test... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Lowe" <akronjack1982@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Interesting E-mail Discovery Hi Daniel, First of all, I find it very strange that you and I can be looking at the same tab controls and you have trouble with them, and I do not. Very odd. Well, I Don't know if this will be of any help, but the settings that are for E-mail are controlled with the alt E command. The news groups settings are controlled with the Alt N command. I don't know if this will be of any help to you or not. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Interesting E-mail Discovery Hi, As I wrote last night, I have one problem with navigating this menu and achieving this modification to the appearance of quoted material in my email replies and forwards. A few questions, not just to Terrilynn but to anyone knowledgeable: First of all, and most important, this menu area doesn't appear clearly for me using Jaws. If it did, tabbing ore arrowing down the items in the Send tab would make it clear that there were two groups of options you can modify here. One is for newsgroups, and the other is for your email. In both cases, there's a pair of radio buttons to choose whether you wish messages of that category to be sent plain text or HTML. And then there's a button for a settings submenu for each, in which is found the setting being discussed here. But the first problem is that using the PC cursor, tab key and arrow keys, Jaws isn't able to tell you which of these areas is which. It just says "radio button HTML" and "radio button Plain Text" and then "settings..." (the dots indicating you'll get a submenu if you press Enter) and no announcement that one group of these things is for governing the appearance of outgoing newsgroup messages and the other for outgoing email messages. The other problem is that I just want to be sure I understand why plain text settings are the only ones being discussed here. Is it that you can't achieve the same removal of characters preceding quoted lines in an HTML message? Or is it just that people discussing this on this mailing list assume that all of us use plain text for outgoing messages? Last, it's not clear to me, and I don't know how I could ascertain this without sighted help, whether unchecking this box only prevents the insertion of start-of-line characters such as the greater than mark, or also prevents the indentation of the quoted material? Ideally, I would like to be able to dump the beginning of line mark, but retain the indentation, which is of some immediate benefit to a sighted recipient because it signals, without their having to look directly at the quoted text but just peripherally signals them what it is. Well, I'll admit, the presence of headers, if you don't delete the headers in the process, is a clear enough signal that the next stuff is quoted. But I like the orderly effect of the indentation, which I can no longer see because of central vision loss that prevents me reading, but know others can, and can visualize. So does the indentation disappear along with those characters? I'd rather have a choice, if possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TerriLynne" <terri_lynne@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:14 AM Subject: Re: Interesting E-mail Discovery > Hi all, > Wow, Jack. This is great! But, for novices such as myself, I might make a > small adjustment to your instructions. So here is how I would write it: > Smile. > > Alt t for tools menu. > Arrow up to options and hit enter. > Ctrl tab to the send page. > Tab until you hear, "plain text settings button, alt e,and press alt e. > Again, tab until you hear, "indent the original text with", checkbox > checked. Hit the space bar to uncheck this check box. > > Tab to apply and hit enter. > Tab to okay and hit enter. > > If you uncheck the box, "indent the original text with", the following > combo > box doesn't even appear. > > TerriLynne Pomeroy > Student Advisor > Blind and Visually Impaired Students of Utah > http://www.bvisu.org/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: Interesting E-mail Discovery > > > But Jack, I can't get this to work. I went into the Plain Text properties > settings, and also the HTML settings part (because I send in plain text > only > to blind and low vision correspondents and mailing list, and HTML to > others). But when I forward or reply to a test message I send myself, the > reply or forward arrives still with greater than signs leading each line. > Yes, I pressed okay where I should have, and all that. > > One thing I should say is that the Send tab in my OE options menu simply > doesn't speak and identify its parts accurately with Jaws, so I have to > use > the Jaws cursor to explore the area then try to remember where things were > as I move down through that menu with the PC cursor and try to look at or > change settings. It's always been like this for me with Jaws in this area > of the OE options menu. With two different versions of Jaws. > > Any idea how to help me tame this menu with Jaws? Thanks. > ws.Witn lawys try or whateunc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Lowe" <akronjack1982@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: Interesting E-mail Discovery > > >> Correct. And as I said, every little bit helps. Jack >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:51 AM >> Subject: Re: Interesting E-mail Discovery >> >> >> Yes, Alex, he knows that. He's talking about forwarding the sort of >> message >> that's just come to you, personally, and hasn't already been copied or >> quoted before. >> I think. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Interesting E-mail Discovery >> >> >>> Jack, There will be greater signs if there are greater signs in the >>> message >>> you're forwarding, this will merely prevent additional greater signs >>> from >>> being added. >>> Cheers. >>> Alex >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jack Lowe" <akronjack1982@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 12:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: Interesting E-mail Discovery >>> >>> >>> P. S. >>> >>> I tried this and it worked. I unchecked that box and there are no >>> grater >>> signs >>> in the message I forwarded to myself. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jack Lowe" <akronjack1982@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:49 AM >>> Subject: Interesting E-mail Discovery >>> >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> You know how we've had these discussions about those darn grater signs? >>> Well, I >>> was doing some looking in my outlook express/options/send tab. I found >>> a >>> setting that I thought was rather interesting. Now, this won't help >>> those >>> of us >>> on the receiving end of the E-mails, but it may help those who we >>> forward >>> messages to, or include the original message in the reply. >>> Here's what I'm talking about... >>> Hit Alt T for tools, then arrow up to options, hit enter, then control >>> tab >>> to >>> send page. Tab until you hear, Plain Text settings, button, Alt E. >>> So, hit alt E, then tab until you hear, indent the original text with >>> check >>> box >>> checked. >>> Now, tab once. You are now in a combo box, there are three choices you >>> can >>> arrow up and down through, grater, vertical bar, and colon. So, if you >>> have >>> your E-mail set to include the original text in a reply or forward, you >>> can >>> choose what will show up in the message. What I'm wondering is this. >>> If you uncheck that box, does that mean there won't be any grater signs >>> showing >>> up in your forward or reply? And if so, why have it checked at all? >>> As I said, this is in outlook express. I can't speak on any other >>> E-mail >>> providers. But, when you send forwards or replies, this looks like a >>> good >>> way >>> to eliminate those grater signs from showing up in your messages. 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